Committing genocide and Imperialist plunder on the entire planet is being “slightly corrupt?” Moreover, where are the Communists that don’t also hate the Republicans?
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I miss Al Franken.
Democrats in full force with the projection.
They wouldn’t call themselves slightly corrupt in that case…
“Slightly” hahaha.
Is “slightly corrupt” the new euphemism for “aiding and abetting an ongoing genocide”?
Is “slightly corrupt” the new euphemism for “aiding and abetting an ongoing genocide”?
I don’t think it sounds right to call non-voters “slightly corrupt”.
Republicans are going to republican. Democrats at least have the pretense of representing their constituents interests.
It’s like if an oil tanker that takes ten miles to stop was bearing down on a small passenger ferry. Sure it might be the fault of the tanker’s crew but they can’t stop and they won’t stop. The democrats driving the ferry have the capacity to easily save everyone on board and simply refuse to do so. That’s why people shout at them.
What a stupid post. Yeah it’s progressives’ fault mango Mussolini is POTUS /s. This is a talking point manufactured by MAGA handlers that some broadly Dem-supporting people choose to broadcast, now outside the US. This is a type of brainrot that undermines critical thinking, divides the left, and helps elect the right. Canada deserves better
Tankie are leftists, they are not progressives.
Left is Progress, Right is Conservation of old ways (Conservative)
Tankies are not Leftists, even
Trump is progressive by that logic because he is dismantling the old ways.
The old ways didn’t have a system of laws to prevent discrimination and unethical greed. He is taking us back there.
That’s the very old ways. You can’t conserve them when they are gone.
Of course one could argue that there has never been a time with a system of laws to prevent discrimination and unethical greed.
People are alive today that remember the times without restriction very very clearly. Namely the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the following welfare programs that saved or improved millions of lives, politicians on the right want to tear that down.
And progressives are not leftists, they are centrist liberals. Sanders is never going to call abolishing private ownership of the means of production.
Idk why you’re being downvoted, you’re right.
Because some other db0 user is angry with me and is downvoting everything I say regardless of content.
Progressives are separate from tankies. You can have leftist ideals without supporting authoritarians.
Your democrats sent more tanks than the USSR
No one calls themselves a tankie. It is a pejorative term for a progressive. It is used to silence legitimate criticism and helps right-shift politics
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So Bernie and AOC are tankies to you?
It’s the term that describes those communists who cheered on the Soviet Union’s violent crushing of the 1956 Hungary revolution protests.
The term is often used when someone claims they support leftist ideals but pushes for authoritarianism.
Your democrats cheered at Israel violent crushing of the 2023 Gaza uprising.
You’re such an hypocrite
I get the original etymology. Nowadays it’s carelessly used and appropriated like ‘woke’
What about “lib” and “zio”?
Those are kind of new and exciting. All the kids are doing it.
I’m pretty sure those are used accurately as specific types of fascists.
the Soviet Union’s violent crushing of the 1956 Hungary revolution protests.
Did you know that was recently revealed (through Trump’s jfk doc dump) to be yet another CIA backed fake color revolution?
It’s pretty easy to find them. Here, I’ll draw some out for you:
Mao and Stalin were just as evil as Hitler. China is engaging in a genocide of the Uyghur people. Putin is a genocidal war criminal fighting a war of imperialism.
Was Biden as evil as Hitler? He did send a lot of tanks to israel
So anyone who doesn’t engage in Double Genocide Theory, a recognized form of Holocaust denial, is a “tankie”.
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Really not beating the allegations that “tankie” is just an ill-defined snarl word
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A tankie is anyone who objects when I do this: shits pants
Wow, lots of tankies in here taking the bait lol
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Tankie is in no way a pejorative for Progressive. Hell progressives are usually the ones using it. I wouldn’t even say tankies pretend to be Progressive.
tankie
I’m a litteral tankie. Yes, I own a tank. Quit assuming my political opinion, it’s just a hobby
Progressives are not leftists, they are centrist liberals. No matter how many times Sanders calls himself a socialist, he is never going to call for abolishing private ownership of the means of production.
There was a lot of pressure for the most banal, milquetoast, form of representation ever in the form of having a Palestinian speaker at the Democratic national convention with a vetted speech that involved nothing that would have criticized Israel at all.
Even that was too far.
Either the progressives are powerful enough that you have to take them seriously and give them concessions, or they aren’t and you get to ignore them.
What you don’t get to do is give them nothing and blame them when you lose. Or, I guess you do if you’d prefer to lose the general over letting a progressive win the primary.
Huh, funny that, who knew there is a lot of levers and controls that a primary winner, even one that lost the general, gets.
helps elect the right
Trump, the farthest right viable candidate, was elected because he got the most votes.
Regardless of your feelings about her, Kamala was the most viable opposition to Trump.
Some people were most active being anti-Kamala.
In your opinion, did the anti-Kamala influencers hurt Trump’s election, or did they help Trump’s election?
She was objectively much better than Trump. Hopefully in the future Americans have the single transferable vote for presidential elections so they can vote for other candidates in other parties.
This is bullshit though, please actually explain how Kamala is the most viable opposition to Trump? Trump is far right, and Kamala is a centrist conservative. America is further right than you think it is, Kamala is in no way shape or form an opposition.
Kamala is right wing. Trump is further right wing, guess who is gonna win?
You mentioned opposition, then where is your opposition party? Trump is a by product, you just explained how you get fascism.
“Both parties are the same” is muddying the waters in ways that always benefits the fascists.
They didn’t say both parties were the same. In fact they made a point to distinguish the two I think. They just said both were right wing. There’s lots of different right wing parties in the world. They’re not all the same. Not even remotely the same.
They did not distinguish the parties in any meaningful way. Right and left are just labels, and if you make your entire personality about purity testing most of the world into not being left enough to be in your in-group, you will cultivate no worker solidarity.
Kamala was not right wing. She ran on a fucking wealth tax. You morons had your heads so far up your own asses that you didn’t notice.
Just a Wealth tax lmfao, and thats it? Fuck. How’d that work out?
Shes a neoliberal and def right wing. America is so far right wing you think anyone that calls themself a democrat is an opposition. America’s two party system keeps going further right
But demonrats bad, what’s so hard to understand?
Kamala was the most viable opposition to Trump.
You really believe that, huh?
At the moment, yes. I’m also frequently wrong, there’s too much information in the world for me to process it all, so that’s the best conclusion I can make with the information I have.
If you can make an argument for anyone else being a more viable candidate against Trump, then give it to me.
Exactly what the other guy said.
Who, in our shitty 2 party system, had a better chance?
Anyone else. Throw Bernie’s half animated corpse up there as the candidate. Congrats he would’ve won. Because he wasnt a cop trying to get elected to the anticop party, nor far right economically trying to get elected to the center right party.
The fact you’re reduced her to a cop is showing you’re headfirst in the koolaid
She was literally responsible for police reform. You know, shit like making them wear body cams and undergo training to recognise bias, as well as community programs to get people back into the community as opposed to branded criminals for life. You know, the shit you want to happen. And all that for one state - one of your most progressive.
But over the years, she has proudly labelled herself both a “top cop” and a “progressive prosecutor”.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/12/kamala-was-a-cop-black-people-knew-it-first/
She’d even proudly declared herself California’s “top cop” in 2016 —two years after the Ferguson protests. Marcotte has things backward. In a climate where Democrats still felt they had to pander to the law-and-order crowd, “Kamala is a cop” was the nuance.
These legitimate critiques, not trolls hiding behind computer screens, gave the “Kamala is a cop” meme its power. Black Americans, who have wildly disproportionate contact with police and prisons, had cause to be wary of a presidential candidate, even a Black woman, who not only made her bones in the criminal justice system but adduced her work there to the case for her presidency. On Black Twitter, the meme was a reminder, not an explanation. Early on, Harris struggled to attract Black voters. Some were concerned about her electability, while others were truly mistrustful of her record and her promise to be the “progressive prosecutor” candidate.
https://www.c-span.org/program/campaign-2016/new-york-delegation-breakfast/450152
At 00:32:19 her speech begins, which has (via the transcript):
ELECTED FIRST WOMAN OF COLOR TO BE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN STATE OF CALIFORNIA IN 2003. [APPLAUSE] AND I NOW STAND BEFORE YOU AS THE TOP COP OF THE BIGGEST STATE IN THE COUNTRY, NO OFFENSE ERIC SCHNEIDERMAN. [LAUGHTER]
Bernie’s name wasn’t on my ballot so he couldn’t have been a viable opponent. The only person on the ballot with any chance of beating Trump was Harris.
Bear in mind, I think the Dems could have run a much a stronger ticket with someone other than Harris but that doesn’t change the fact that she was the only viable competition in the election that actually happened.
Cool, you know you can write in the candidate, right?
In any case if dems wanted to be elected, they could try not being republican. Even in the face of fascism no self respecting person would vote for a republican.
The key wordyou seems to be missing is “viable.”
Would love to have whatever drugs you need to think writing someone in would have actually been a good idea
Bernie, AOC, Andrew Yang off the top of my head
Which of those 3 were nominated?
I’m not saying they wouldn’t have been better options. They simply weren’t options.
Gee I wonder why they werent options!
Bernie is too old, didn’t want to run. AOC was too young until less than a month before the general election, didn’t want to run. Andrew Yang is actually kind of a weirdo in the bad take a look closer (check out the description of his Forward Party).
Anybody else?
So you asked for who is better, but since you dont like any of them, they wont do. Rocket dragon is the decider of all things politicians guys.
You should have just said so in the first place and we coulda saved time.
I love Bernie and AOC both, but what’s your plan, hold a gun to their head and force them to run?
Lmao
She lost to trump
Anti- Biden/Kamala influencers helped elect Trump. The biggest of those influencers were the mainstream media. The double standard of reporting (Biden/Harris vs Trump) is very well documented. (And the ring-kissing is approaching authoritarian levels now.) Ideas that actual grassroots would-be Democrat voters sabotaged the the Democrats’ success in the election is much less certain, but perhaps a more attractive version of reality than the big-money-funded pro right-wing system we’re up against. Less in-fighting amongst the left please
Kamala is right wing. Trump is further right wing. Guess who is gonna win?
This thread is an amazing honeypot for any instance admins looking for a well organized list of accounts to ban.
Americans are children who get abused by both parents but they think Mom is better because she hits them less.
You can thank the spoiler effect from first-past-the-post for that. I will take 5 lashes instead of 20.
It seems your real criticisms are about FPTP and the failure of mainstream media
You have to work within the reality you have, not the one you wish you had.
They’re on the list, yeah.
Great. See us in 8 years when you’re supporting a dem who wants 8 active genocides above a repub who wants 10 active genocides. This is what your weird version of liberal “pragmatic” utilitarianism will get you.
I’ll leave you with some Mike Davis:
In biology, one learns about a certain species of caterpillar that can only cross the threshold of metamorphosis by seeing its future butterfly. Proletarian subjectivity does not evolve by incremental steps but requires nonlinear leaps, especially by way of moral self-recognition through solidarity with the struggle of a distant people. Even when this contradicts short-term self-interest, as in the famous cases of Lancashire cotton workers’ enthusiasm for Lincoln and later for Gandhi, such efforts not only anticipate a world beyond capitalism, they concretely advance the working class’s march toward it.
Socialism, in other words, requires nonutilitarian actors, whose ultimate motivations and values arise from structures of feeling that others would deem spiritual. Marx rightly scourged romantic humanism in the abstract, but his personal pantheon — Prometheus and Spartacus, Homer, Cervantes, and Shakespeare — affirmed a heroic vision of human possibility.
Nice strawman. Americans wouldn’t have to choose one of two subpar options if they actually had proportional representation. That way the people can avoid the aipac politicians completely without throwing away their vote.
A strawman, you say? How unfair of me. Let me confirm with you first.
If, in 8 years (assuming your grand plans for ranked choice or whatever have yet to take hold), the choice is between a democrat who wants 8 genocides and a republican who wants 10, which would you vote for?
It will vote for the lesser evil or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it is told. It puts the ballot in the fucking basket!
Yes it was the “slight corruption” that “tankies” are criticizing Dems for. Give me a break.
The 2024 us presidential election will have fierce debates for years to come.
Punching down by portraying people you theoretically want on your side as villains is not a winning strategy for anyone left of centre. Dividing people only helps the right, no matter who is doing it. I don’t even think ordinary folks who’ve been conned into believing (Maple) MAGA-esque propaganda should automatically be bashed in every case-- just persons in positions of significant power. The priority should always be to seek opportunities to genuinely win folks over.
The population is being dumbed down by our education system and smart devices/ social media. In addition to that, Republicans’ media strategy completely dominated with this election cycles. Democrat campaigns were being run like all of them were a bunch of seniors citizens who couldn’t navigate the current media environment.
Republicans controlled the narrative on most all of the issues.
If centrists wanted criticism of republicans, they could have done that more.
But then they might not have got the endorsement of dick cheney. establishment democrats punched left and embraced the right.
Why would you expect media outlets mostly owned by the Oligarchs to criticize the people the oligarchs want to put into power?
They faced the same amount as usual, but media made sure to squelch any reporting on it and to amplify every voice on the right. It’s not the civilians that chose to turn every single thing Kamala did into an opportunity to shit on her while ignoring everything Trump was doing.
