Funny how even though I have had many fights with health insurance companies I never wished for the death of another human being. But those who think that they are virtuous have no problem celebrating this guy being killed calling it karma. And this comment will be totally downvoted because how dare someone point out their hypocrisy.
I never wished for the death of another human being
Neat. I’ll bet Brian didn’t either.
The policies under his leadership caused the deaths of many human beings, and prolonged the suffering of many more. Not because he hated them or wished them death, he’d have to care enough to know their names for that, but because denying their valid, good faith claims on buried technicalities as a matter of policy made him and his profiteer shareholders moar profit for their ego score hoards.
Capitalists don’t kill out of hate, their victims are just nameless speed bumps to glorious profit. They kill with a sociopathic shrug, in volume. Their piles of corpses labeled “externalities,” aka everyone else’s problem but theirs.
That last bit is the truth. I grew up in a wealthy family and saw it from the inside before becoming the radical leftist I am today. Rich people don’t hate you—they literally don’t think about you at all. You are so far removed from their reality that when your complaints occasionally reach their ears, they assume you must be lying. They fundamentally can’t accept that their lifestyle and the way they wield power has consequences for other people.
That’s why people say “why is this happening” on the way to the guillotine.
I only say that to provide context to say THANK YOU, sincerely, for doing what maybe one in a thousand born into your situation do. Reflect on your situation earnestly, recognizing the atrocity of it, rejecting the siren’s call of ignoring that reality for the sake of blissfully ignorant greed and glut and decadence, and ultimately rejecting accepting complicity in and propagation of it.
To summarize my life, I say that I went to the White House, a crack house, and a nudist tree house in my first 21 years. I’ve had 3 near death experiences, the first in a private jet, the second with a gun to my head, and the third from taking bad ecstasy. I do my best to use that perspective for good, even though it can be really hard to reconcile such diverse experiences into a working personality.
No need to thank me, once I saw what reality was, the choice was easy. I always know what side of the line I will stand on.
Why not tell that to the News mods who took down my comment that simply said “and nothing of value was lost” and claimed that was celebrating and promoting violence and a violation of the Terms of Service of lemmy.world.
(I’m joking about telling them, obviously. Arguing with mods is more pointless than arguing with other commenters, which is already pretty pointless.)
Yeah, the mods over there are killing like half the comments. I looked through the modlog, and most of the deleted comments are pretty tame. The mods over there are sucking right now.
Meh, there’s worse mods out there. I’m sure it’s an overwhelming thread and they’re just slamming the brakes on everything to try to keep it under control. Probably like a thousand user reports already or something.
Do innocuous comments get caught in the crossfire? Yeah, oh well. I didn’t add anything particularly important to the conversation anyway.
Turns out mainstream journalism, news agencies, and even forums that deliver “the news” are actually there to force a particular cultural interpretation of the news whilst preventing others. We can see this in the sane washing of Trump.
It’s another aspect of cultural Class Warfare - The Frankfurt School pointed it out in this essay. They called it “The Culture Industry”, and Marcuse said it was an inescapable part of the reproduction of culture in the age of “mechanical reproduction”… Which is what Marcuse’ book “One Dimensional Man” is about.
Of course the millionaires and billionaires who fund the news and social media don’t want anyone seeing a certain kind of justice in the death of one of their own. Even if it’s really a byproduct of a system (techno feudalism) that really offers no other pathway to justice.
I’m ready to go out and celebrate with some drinks over this fucking asshole getting what he deserved. How many millions have him and his ilk killed by denying them healthcare?
But those who think that they are virtuous have no problem celebrating this guy being killed calling it karma. And this comment will be totally downvoted because how dare someone point out their hypocrisy.
“Virtue” is a relative thing. What is virtuous to one person might not be virtuous to another. You, for example, seem to believe that celebrating the death of someone is unvirtuous, even if that person was a monster. This is pure speculation on my part, but I’m also guessing that you hold the belief that nobody deserves to die.
These beliefs are not universal. While you would be a hypocrite for violating your own strongly held beliefs, it would not be accurate to apply that label to someone who doesn’t hold those beliefs. For example, I believe that death is the worst punishment you can give to a person. I also believe that some people absolutely deserve it. I would not find it virtuous to falsely pretend otherwise. I have no moral qualms with celebrating the death of someone who I think deserves it. Similarly, I have no qualms about celebrating good things that happen to a person who I think deserves them. In both cases, I consider those things to be the universe working out as it should.
Not the OP, but I appreciate your ethical explanation.
I agree partially with you. I don’t have a moral issue with the killing of individuals who have engaged in particularly heinous acts: murder, rape, torture, extreme child and spousal abuse, white collar negligence/willfully allowing death to occur through inaction for pay, etc.
I just don’t trust the US or the states to ethically carry out executions, especially given their track record of executing innocent or low IQ individuals. So I’m anti death penalty. Life is cheaper than execution anyhow.
That being said, I don’t have a problem with certain kinds of vigilante justice or vengeance either. Especially vengeance for a loved one. FWIW, I’m not seeking vengeance, but I absolutely get it. Jury nullficaton should always be a right.
Anyhow, the news isn’t in, but I’m rooting for an ethical vengeance situation. He killed a fucking vampire, I hope he’s a hero with respectable views. Even more, I hope they never catch him. Either way the fucker is dead, and good riddance. I hope the other CEOs squirm, they need to either get right or go to prison.
Well, unfortunately the guy used an e-bike with GPS tracking on it as his getaway vehicle, so I very much doubt he’s going to get away with it. But yes - I agree with you on the death penalty. Shit gets complicated when the state gets involved.
Depends how far he took the tracked bike. If this was well planned, it would have been to somewhere with no cameras, and his own bike waiting for him.
If it was really well planned, there was also a burn barrel and some gasoline there, and every visible piece of clothing from the video, including the backpack, no longer exist
Celebrating someone death does not mean you cant be virtuous. Even killing someone can be considered virtuous in many different cases. Killing out of mercy, to protect others, or to change things for the better can be considered virtuous in many way. Revenge, jealousy and hatred are bad, but a murder comitted over revenge doesnt mean it cannot be celebrated as an opportunity for change or awareness…
Victim murder may be wrong even if he was a shitstain for the society, but from his murder maybe good things may happen, maybe its successor may think twice on deciding on the balance between profit and client wellness…
The small number of comments like yours with extreme downvote counts against the absolute deluge of celebratory posts has me feeling pretty fucked about the entire Lemmy community. I understand people’s poor opinions of the health insurance industry, but this mass endorsement of murdering their executives is not a good turn for this community.
It doesn’t even serve our causes. It doesn’t get us any closer to universal healthcare, or price caps on lifesaving care, or healthcare ethics reforms, or any of the other things that actually need to happen.
With a second Trump term starting next month, if the accelerationist lunatics begging for more dead CEOs gets their way, you’re going to see some of the most horrific state violence imaginable as our new fascist kakistocracy zeros in on their “enemy within” boogyman.
On the note of actually giving a shit about healthcare outcomes, nobody on Lemmy seems to be organizing against the status quo. There are no communities here about unfair health insurance decisions, and medical bankruptcy. Generally speaking, Lemmy has a progressive view on healthcare, but very little interest in organizing about it materially.
But when a CEO gets murdered, the Tankies come out en masse to tell us that shooting and killing a father of 2 is actually heroism or something.
It’s just pure violent hatred, and while I understand where people’s anger comes from, I don’t think I’m going to stick around this place much longer if this kind of rhetoric is going to be treated as normal. If this is how the general userbase of Lemmy actually thinks, I’ll show myself the door and find people who aren’t pieces of shit.
Just wanted you to know, despite the downvotes you’re getting, you are completely fucking right and everyone else who has decided that this is the time to cause a scene can hopefully get banned.
boo hoo, the guy that set policies that killed their own customers when they became inconvenient to their bottom line, solely to increase their private profit, had 2 kids. Those kids will still go to fancy private schools and be materially fine, arguably with one less antisocial influence.
How many parents of kids without such blood soaked trust funds did he kill with United Healthcare’s policies designed to deny necessary care solely to boost private profits?
We don’t even get to vote on this being allowed, the last President that promised to fix this system instituted a plan that instead of removing the profit motive from Healthcare doubled down and further enshrined for profit insurer middlemen predators like United Healthcare.
I know people like you. People that believe if we just play by the rules, protest in designated protest zones pathetically outside the eyeline and profit operations of those being protested, vote for either of our bought and paid for parties that defend this economy from the society it perversely controls, then a just world will just emerge. It won’t. Not unless we fight for it. And I’m not using fight as a metaphor, because those that seek power over the masses never surrender their power by anything but force or the real threat thereof.
But maybe we should just exercise more temperance as you say, let them completely destroy Earth’s climate for humans first while we ask them really nicely not to. Wow.
Oh, also, bye. Maybe reddit would be a good fit for you.
But when a CEO gets murdered, the Tankies come out en masse to tell us that shooting and killing a father of 2 is actually heroism or something.
This is just delusional. It is by no means only “tankies.” The American public by and large hates and is constantly humiliated by the health insurance industry.
And being a parent has no bearing on it whatsoever. That’s just you trying (and failing) to be emotionally manipulative.
Funny how even though I have had many fights with health insurance companies I never wished for the death of another human being. But those who think that they are virtuous have no problem celebrating this guy being killed calling it karma. And this comment will be totally downvoted because how dare someone point out their hypocrisy.
Neat. I’ll bet Brian didn’t either.
The policies under his leadership caused the deaths of many human beings, and prolonged the suffering of many more. Not because he hated them or wished them death, he’d have to care enough to know their names for that, but because denying their valid, good faith claims on buried technicalities as a matter of policy made him and his profiteer shareholders moar profit for their ego score hoards.
Capitalists don’t kill out of hate, their victims are just nameless speed bumps to glorious profit. They kill with a sociopathic shrug, in volume. Their piles of corpses labeled “externalities,” aka everyone else’s problem but theirs.
That last bit is the truth. I grew up in a wealthy family and saw it from the inside before becoming the radical leftist I am today. Rich people don’t hate you—they literally don’t think about you at all. You are so far removed from their reality that when your complaints occasionally reach their ears, they assume you must be lying. They fundamentally can’t accept that their lifestyle and the way they wield power has consequences for other people.
That’s why people say “why is this happening” on the way to the guillotine.
I grew up in a trailer under a freeway.
I only say that to provide context to say THANK YOU, sincerely, for doing what maybe one in a thousand born into your situation do. Reflect on your situation earnestly, recognizing the atrocity of it, rejecting the siren’s call of ignoring that reality for the sake of blissfully ignorant greed and glut and decadence, and ultimately rejecting accepting complicity in and propagation of it.
That is no small feat.
To summarize my life, I say that I went to the White House, a crack house, and a nudist tree house in my first 21 years. I’ve had 3 near death experiences, the first in a private jet, the second with a gun to my head, and the third from taking bad ecstasy. I do my best to use that perspective for good, even though it can be really hard to reconcile such diverse experiences into a working personality.
No need to thank me, once I saw what reality was, the choice was easy. I always know what side of the line I will stand on.
Not having sympathy for the death of another/Saying karma bit them in the ass != Wishing for another’s dearh
Why not tell that to the News mods who took down my comment that simply said “and nothing of value was lost” and claimed that was celebrating and promoting violence and a violation of the Terms of Service of lemmy.world.
(I’m joking about telling them, obviously. Arguing with mods is more pointless than arguing with other commenters, which is already pretty pointless.)
Yeah, the mods over there are killing like half the comments. I looked through the modlog, and most of the deleted comments are pretty tame. The mods over there are sucking right now.
Meh, there’s worse mods out there. I’m sure it’s an overwhelming thread and they’re just slamming the brakes on everything to try to keep it under control. Probably like a thousand user reports already or something.
Do innocuous comments get caught in the crossfire? Yeah, oh well. I didn’t add anything particularly important to the conversation anyway.
Turns out mainstream journalism, news agencies, and even forums that deliver “the news” are actually there to force a particular cultural interpretation of the news whilst preventing others. We can see this in the sane washing of Trump.
It’s another aspect of cultural Class Warfare - The Frankfurt School pointed it out in this essay. They called it “The Culture Industry”, and Marcuse said it was an inescapable part of the reproduction of culture in the age of “mechanical reproduction”… Which is what Marcuse’ book “One Dimensional Man” is about.
Of course the millionaires and billionaires who fund the news and social media don’t want anyone seeing a certain kind of justice in the death of one of their own. Even if it’s really a byproduct of a system (techno feudalism) that really offers no other pathway to justice.
You’ve never wished for the death of serial killers? Rapists? Pedophiles? Dictators? Animal abusers? The odd mime?
Somehow, I don’t believe you. But, on the off chance that you’re telling the truth… this is for you:
can i get an award too please
Sure thing, buddy. Here you go:
thank you
I love this for you!
Well aren’t you pious
I’m ready to go out and celebrate with some drinks over this fucking asshole getting what he deserved. How many millions have him and his ilk killed by denying them healthcare?
Fuck him and fuck all his bootlickers.
“Virtue” is a relative thing. What is virtuous to one person might not be virtuous to another. You, for example, seem to believe that celebrating the death of someone is unvirtuous, even if that person was a monster. This is pure speculation on my part, but I’m also guessing that you hold the belief that nobody deserves to die.
These beliefs are not universal. While you would be a hypocrite for violating your own strongly held beliefs, it would not be accurate to apply that label to someone who doesn’t hold those beliefs. For example, I believe that death is the worst punishment you can give to a person. I also believe that some people absolutely deserve it. I would not find it virtuous to falsely pretend otherwise. I have no moral qualms with celebrating the death of someone who I think deserves it. Similarly, I have no qualms about celebrating good things that happen to a person who I think deserves them. In both cases, I consider those things to be the universe working out as it should.
Not the OP, but I appreciate your ethical explanation.
I agree partially with you. I don’t have a moral issue with the killing of individuals who have engaged in particularly heinous acts: murder, rape, torture, extreme child and spousal abuse, white collar negligence/willfully allowing death to occur through inaction for pay, etc.
I just don’t trust the US or the states to ethically carry out executions, especially given their track record of executing innocent or low IQ individuals. So I’m anti death penalty. Life is cheaper than execution anyhow.
That being said, I don’t have a problem with certain kinds of vigilante justice or vengeance either. Especially vengeance for a loved one. FWIW, I’m not seeking vengeance, but I absolutely get it. Jury nullficaton should always be a right.
Anyhow, the news isn’t in, but I’m rooting for an ethical vengeance situation. He killed a fucking vampire, I hope he’s a hero with respectable views. Even more, I hope they never catch him. Either way the fucker is dead, and good riddance. I hope the other CEOs squirm, they need to either get right or go to prison.
We should be having this discussion in News.
Well, unfortunately the guy used an e-bike with GPS tracking on it as his getaway vehicle, so I very much doubt he’s going to get away with it. But yes - I agree with you on the death penalty. Shit gets complicated when the state gets involved.
Depends how far he took the tracked bike. If this was well planned, it would have been to somewhere with no cameras, and his own bike waiting for him.
If it was really well planned, there was also a burn barrel and some gasoline there, and every visible piece of clothing from the video, including the backpack, no longer exist
I think callus indifference is apropos
And who are you that we should give any shits about your call-out?
I used to be that way, but post the first Trump administration, I’ve learned that you can’t suffer some witches to live.
Celebrating someone death does not mean you cant be virtuous. Even killing someone can be considered virtuous in many different cases. Killing out of mercy, to protect others, or to change things for the better can be considered virtuous in many way. Revenge, jealousy and hatred are bad, but a murder comitted over revenge doesnt mean it cannot be celebrated as an opportunity for change or awareness… Victim murder may be wrong even if he was a shitstain for the society, but from his murder maybe good things may happen, maybe its successor may think twice on deciding on the balance between profit and client wellness…
The small number of comments like yours with extreme downvote counts against the absolute deluge of celebratory posts has me feeling pretty fucked about the entire Lemmy community. I understand people’s poor opinions of the health insurance industry, but this mass endorsement of murdering their executives is not a good turn for this community.
It doesn’t even serve our causes. It doesn’t get us any closer to universal healthcare, or price caps on lifesaving care, or healthcare ethics reforms, or any of the other things that actually need to happen.
With a second Trump term starting next month, if the accelerationist lunatics begging for more dead CEOs gets their way, you’re going to see some of the most horrific state violence imaginable as our new fascist kakistocracy zeros in on their “enemy within” boogyman.
On the note of actually giving a shit about healthcare outcomes, nobody on Lemmy seems to be organizing against the status quo. There are no communities here about unfair health insurance decisions, and medical bankruptcy. Generally speaking, Lemmy has a progressive view on healthcare, but very little interest in organizing about it materially.
But when a CEO gets murdered, the Tankies come out en masse to tell us that shooting and killing a father of 2 is actually heroism or something.
It’s just pure violent hatred, and while I understand where people’s anger comes from, I don’t think I’m going to stick around this place much longer if this kind of rhetoric is going to be treated as normal. If this is how the general userbase of Lemmy actually thinks, I’ll show myself the door and find people who aren’t pieces of shit.
Just wanted you to know, despite the downvotes you’re getting, you are completely fucking right and everyone else who has decided that this is the time to cause a scene can hopefully get banned.
boo hoo, the guy that set policies that killed their own customers when they became inconvenient to their bottom line, solely to increase their private profit, had 2 kids. Those kids will still go to fancy private schools and be materially fine, arguably with one less antisocial influence.
How many parents of kids without such blood soaked trust funds did he kill with United Healthcare’s policies designed to deny necessary care solely to boost private profits?
https://www.propublica.org/article/evicore-health-insurance-denials-cigna-unitedhealthcare-aetna-prior-authorizations
We don’t even get to vote on this being allowed, the last President that promised to fix this system instituted a plan that instead of removing the profit motive from Healthcare doubled down and further enshrined for profit insurer middlemen predators like United Healthcare.
I know people like you. People that believe if we just play by the rules, protest in designated protest zones pathetically outside the eyeline and profit operations of those being protested, vote for either of our bought and paid for parties that defend this economy from the society it perversely controls, then a just world will just emerge. It won’t. Not unless we fight for it. And I’m not using fight as a metaphor, because those that seek power over the masses never surrender their power by anything but force or the real threat thereof.
But maybe we should just exercise more temperance as you say, let them completely destroy Earth’s climate for humans first while we ask them really nicely not to. Wow.
Oh, also, bye. Maybe reddit would be a good fit for you.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
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This is just delusional. It is by no means only “tankies.” The American public by and large hates and is constantly humiliated by the health insurance industry.
And being a parent has no bearing on it whatsoever. That’s just you trying (and failing) to be emotionally manipulative.
Oh no. Anyway.