Not really. The military is controlled by the federal government. The state governments exist only to decide “small” local matters. And don’t have their own armed forces.
I honestly fear that our military will do something like this. There are a LOT of chuds in the military.
Although originally state entities, the Constitutional “Militia of the Several States” were not entirely independent because they could be federalized. According to Article I, Section 8; Clause 15, the United States Congress is given the power to pass laws for “calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.” Congress is also empowered to come up with the guidelines “for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress” (clause 16). The President of the United States is the commander-in-chief of the state militias “when called into the actual Service of the United States.” (Article II, Section 2).
The traditional state militias were redefined and recreated as the “organized militia”—the National Guard, via the Militia Act of 1903. They were now subject to an increasing amount of federal control, including having arms and accoutrements supplied by the central government, federal funding, and numerous closer ties to the Regular Army.
The state’s national guard would only listen to the president if they view hin as legitimate. If the presidebt start saying: “I’m declaring martial law and ordering the arrest of these lawless democrat thugs to restore law an order” the state national guard would probably go “wait wtf?”, then the Democratic Governor will declare those orders unconstitutional then tell the national guard to refuse federalization and listen to the state. Then the real test is to see who they listen to. That could decide the fate of the country.
You know, not every member of military voted trump. And even for those who did, they are just useful idiots who actually are stupid enough to believe that trump is good for the country, they might not realize he’s actually trying to end democracy, they are just that dumb. My hope is that they will eventually realize it when trump start giving orders like “Kill Everyone Who Disagrees With Me” and refuse those orders.
I honestly fear that our military will do something like this.
Your fear is overblown. The US Military would get chewed up and spit out by Armed American Civilians. We outnumber them by at least 50 to 1 and there would be nowhere for them to retreat too in between engagements. Their logistics would be entirely cutoff and they wouldn’t even be able to go home because their neighbors (at least some of them) would be waiting.
They could try but realistically it would be over (in most places) in like two weeks.
What is Bubba going to do with his Ford and his AR when a fuckin’ tank rolls down the middle of 23rd Avenue? How about when a drone hits his buddy with three fingers and all the pipe bombs?
Unless your local rednecks are packing some serious fucking heat- talking anti-tank, anti-air- you will 100% get Ruby Ridged. Maybe you take out a couple 19 year old kids? But to think that “armed American civilians” would be able to do anything besides piss themselves and bleed in the face of the most powerful military in the world is utterly delusional.
What is Bubba going to do with his Ford and his AR when a fuckin’ tank rolls down the middle of 23rd Avenue?
Where is the fuel coming from to keep that tank rolling and how is it getting there?
How about when a drone hits his buddy with three fingers and all the pipe bombs?
Where does that drone operator live? Where are the parts for that drone coming from, how are they getting there, and who is assembling them?
The US Military runs on logistics and those logistics chains are entirely dependent on civilians playing along. This is why true Civil Wars are Nation Breakers.
The best a broad civilian uprising could hope for in the US would be a drawn-out guerilla grinder like Vietnam or Afghanistan. Anybody who thinks it would be a one-way wipe (in either direction) is an idiot.
Not to mention that a dictatorship would be more than glad to support counter-revolutionaries, which would outnumber the left-leaning revolution by… A lot.
South Korea is a unitary state, the US is federal. A bit harder to do in the US.
Not really. The military is controlled by the federal government. The state governments exist only to decide “small” local matters. And don’t have their own armed forces.
I honestly fear that our military will do something like this. There are a LOT of chuds in the military.
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Although originally state entities, the Constitutional “Militia of the Several States” were not entirely independent because they could be federalized. According to Article I, Section 8; Clause 15, the United States Congress is given the power to pass laws for “calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.” Congress is also empowered to come up with the guidelines “for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress” (clause 16). The President of the United States is the commander-in-chief of the state militias “when called into the actual Service of the United States.” (Article II, Section 2).
The traditional state militias were redefined and recreated as the “organized militia”—the National Guard, via the Militia Act of 1903. They were now subject to an increasing amount of federal control, including having arms and accoutrements supplied by the central government, federal funding, and numerous closer ties to the Regular Army.
The state’s national guard would only listen to the president if they view hin as legitimate. If the presidebt start saying: “I’m declaring martial law and ordering the arrest of these lawless democrat thugs to restore law an order” the state national guard would probably go “wait wtf?”, then the Democratic Governor will declare those orders unconstitutional then tell the national guard to refuse federalization and listen to the state. Then the real test is to see who they listen to. That could decide the fate of the country.
Who did every active duty and veteran you know vote for, again?
You know, not every member of military voted trump. And even for those who did, they are just useful idiots who actually are stupid enough to believe that trump is good for the country, they might not realize he’s actually trying to end democracy, they are just that dumb. My hope is that they will eventually realize it when trump start giving orders like “Kill Everyone Who Disagrees With Me” and refuse those orders.
I hope you’re right. I suspect you’re wrong.
Your fear is overblown. The US Military would get chewed up and spit out by Armed American Civilians. We outnumber them by at least 50 to 1 and there would be nowhere for them to retreat too in between engagements. Their logistics would be entirely cutoff and they wouldn’t even be able to go home because their neighbors (at least some of them) would be waiting.
They could try but realistically it would be over (in most places) in like two weeks.
You forget who those Armed American Civilians virtually ALL voted for.
Don’t believe the hype, there’s plenty of Armed American Civilians who didn’t vote for that guy. They are not the real majority they are just noisy.
I’ll believe that when I see it. But the only way to see it is for shit to go south in the first place.
What is Bubba going to do with his Ford and his AR when a fuckin’ tank rolls down the middle of 23rd Avenue? How about when a drone hits his buddy with three fingers and all the pipe bombs?
Unless your local rednecks are packing some serious fucking heat- talking anti-tank, anti-air- you will 100% get Ruby Ridged. Maybe you take out a couple 19 year old kids? But to think that “armed American civilians” would be able to do anything besides piss themselves and bleed in the face of the most powerful military in the world is utterly delusional.
And that, kids, is how we installed a lasting, stable, friendly, democratic government in Afghanistan!
Where is the fuel coming from to keep that tank rolling and how is it getting there?
Where does that drone operator live? Where are the parts for that drone coming from, how are they getting there, and who is assembling them?
The US Military runs on logistics and those logistics chains are entirely dependent on civilians playing along. This is why true Civil Wars are Nation Breakers.
The best a broad civilian uprising could hope for in the US would be a drawn-out guerilla grinder like Vietnam or Afghanistan. Anybody who thinks it would be a one-way wipe (in either direction) is an idiot.
Not to mention that a dictatorship would be more than glad to support counter-revolutionaries, which would outnumber the left-leaning revolution by… A lot.