Afaik this happened with every single instance of a communist country. Communism seems like a pretty good idea on the surface, but then why does it always become autocratic?

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    14 days ago

    Because extremes don’t work.

    From what I’ve seen over the past 100 years, pure capitalist societies fail (hello Americans!) just lie pure communist societies (hello Russia!)

    What works well are free societies that mix strong capitalism systems to fund strong social systems and safety nets (hello, north west Europe!)

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      You’re being downvoted probably because your take is unscholarly, but it is not wrong.

      Marx predicts the withering of the state by developing democratic socialism further and further until capital and its hoarders are fully enclosed. Northern Europe is a good example of this trend on the long term, and this is as predicted.

      I think a lot of ideologues have an element of religiosity to their adoption of marxist analysis and that leads to religious timelines: The End Is At Hand.

      But it’s not. Our lifespans are short compared with history. Late industrial capitalism will wither, and information capitalism will be further developed, before capital is enclosed by democratic development. Just waiting for how crazy genetics tech will make things… but I think we have to get through the fundamental questions that ownership of biology poses before we see the capacity for economic phase shift. History is accelerating, so…?

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        12 days ago

        Gotta love how you talk about me being unscholarly, yet you literally pretend you can predict the future exactly

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          OK to be specific the USA is not pure capitalist as it has a huge number of public assets and social services, and the soviets were nowhere near pure communist, a long ways away from a stateless society run by a proletariat, more like state monopoly capitalism. Anyone who has studied the topic might be inclined to downvote such claims.

          Anyway I was defending you not attacking, being pissy won’t help.

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            11 days ago

            Of course the US is not 100 capitalistic not was the USSR 100% communist.

            Having said that, to clarify, the US is WAY too much capitalistic and needs to tone it down vastly. The rich upperclass is not happy about that idea, of course

            Russia wasn’t 100% communistic, and never could be because real communism will beber work as the vast majority of the population won’t want it. There is a reason why the purges from when communism started there ended with so many murders. Get rid of those that oppose communism, then get rid of those that oppose all those murders too. Anyone wanting “real” Communism really should watch “the chekist” as a good example of what is to come.

            Like it or not, capitalism is by far the most successful system of driving humanity forward. However, you need to control it, you need a lot of strict laws in place to keep it from spinning out of control. Use a controlled capitalist system to fund and support a strong socialist network on top of that and you’ll end up with great countries