The UN says its genocide. The ICC says it’s close enough to genocide for the Israeli government to be arrested, every non Israeli historian with a specialty in genocide says its genocide.

IDK about the UN personally, because people have only ever sent me articles about the UN discussion how it “could be genocide” rather than how it is, or they simply point to UN law and go “look it meets the broad definition they supplied, that hasn’t been legally scrutinized yet” If they do have an official statement on it, then i guess i just haven’t seen it until now, because I’m not aware of one. The ICC specifically, I’m aware has arrest warrants for various war crimes, genocide is not listed among any of them, and AFAIK has not been attached since then, could be wrong on that one though, IK a lot of people point to the ICJ, but the ICJ literally refutes that claim themselves, they have stated that it could be “subject to conditions that would create a genocide” which is a rough paraphrasing, but as far as i know that’s the most official statement they’ve made.

Sort of irrelevant, but another question I’ve been curious about is how many countries actually care enough to call it genocide, and i think that’s up to two now? South Africa, obviously, and i think turkey? I’d have to check, both consider it a genocide. I don’t know about any other countries, it’s kind of an arcane thing to search for anyway. I know a lot of members of parliament have stated their concern, but those are representatives, and they can say basically anything.

And yes, the questions have been “do you support the governments actions against Gaza and the Palestinian people”,

ah interesting, so the question wasn’t literally “is this genocide” and to be fair, i was being a little harsh on that one, but i think it’s fair given the extent of the accusation being levied. Realistically, this is because both countries seem to hate each other, and haven’t stopped hating each other for about 70 years now. Last i checked the middle east generally isn’t very kind about these sorts of spats, they usually tend to do what they’re doing right now. At least, in recent history, among recent conflicts.

There used to be 2 million people in Gaza. There’s now at most 1.2 million by most outside estimates. Deaths stopped being counted when all the hospitals, and that’s not an exaggeration, were bombed in Gaza. So no one has been counting the dead.

this is definitely a huge problem, frankly not sure why this is even a thing that’s happening (people not being allowed to leave, that’s a pretty substantial problem) it’s extremely difficult to justify that kind of action, and i don’t want to say it’s expected, but given the length of the conflict, and the history behind it, I’m hesitant to say it’s also unexpected. Palestine hasn’t exactly been the most cordial negotiator throughout this, and neither has Israel. It’s sort of like the two worst people in the world, having a stand off. It’s just not going to end well.

You don’t get to say Ukraine has it worse, because they don’t. Objectively. No part of their experience is pleasant, but it’s simply incomparably better.

a lot of it is definitely better, but a lot of it is also very similar. It’s just interesting to me that so many people seem to care so deeply about the Palestine issue, but barely anybody seems to even think about Ukraine at all these days. There are or were, maybe all of them were bots lmao, that seemed to be so heavily indebted into the side of Palestine that I’m not sure how they managed to be a functional person outside of that belief. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to tell you that a one state solution is simply, not going to work. Two state isn’t perfect, but it’s certainly better. Arguably the best possible result.