So it is punching up when alienating people who wants to be allies to queer people? I see it as making the bi girls life harder when she feels she cant bring her partner to events without risking ridicule because the partner is the “wrong sex”.
I’m just explaining where the presented argument was misunderstood. I for one think the joke is funny and works in either direction, but I tend to have a more “everyone is fair game” approach to comedy than “you can only make a joke if you, member of subclass A, are ranked below the target subject, subclass B, and societal context approves of your message”. “Punching up/ down” only really matters IMO when all someone seems to know how to do is punch down.
No. That’s the point they’re making.
Gay person joking about a straight person = punching up.
Straight person joking about a gay person = punching down.
So it is punching up when alienating people who wants to be allies to queer people? I see it as making the bi girls life harder when she feels she cant bring her partner to events without risking ridicule because the partner is the “wrong sex”.
I’m just explaining where the presented argument was misunderstood. I for one think the joke is funny and works in either direction, but I tend to have a more “everyone is fair game” approach to comedy than “you can only make a joke if you, member of subclass A, are ranked below the target subject, subclass B, and societal context approves of your message”. “Punching up/ down” only really matters IMO when all someone seems to know how to do is punch down.
I agree with that, I was questioning the direction of the punch since the person I responded to presented it as alright as long as its punching up.
Edit: I might also be a bit sensitive knowing trans straight people who gets flak from some community members due to being straight and passing