Today, i couldnt upvote a post from anarchymemes@anarchist.nexus so i decided to check it out on my pc. i noticed that i was banned from the com even though i havent posted anything on the com nor the instance. i guess the reason for the ban is that i posted a meme to different comm a while ago. The meme is homophobic but i didnt know it when i was posting it. After finding out it was homophonic, i added a disclaimer to my post.
i dont think i deserved the ban, and i want to hear your thoughts.
I think the meme has homophobic undertones, but it wasn’t posted with the intent to be homophobic.
Explain that you can’t see what we know is right there because it’s a fucking black hole does not make this comment a black hole.
But if you think that fucking pun was, then try to pull your head out before you say it. When you fail to point out that anyone thinks anything other than shit is leaving your mouth, then let me redirect you to high school.
Those teachers won’t help you learn shit, obviously. They will make a damn good character example for everyone else to understand how politics handle Pinnocio.
This comment reads like somebody spammed the auto-prediction on their mobile keyboard.
Sometimes actions have consequences. And getting banned in one of dozens of anarchist communities on the Fediverse is really not a big consequence.
Small tip: If you truly believe that what you did was homophobic, dont put “homophobia” in quotes. This makes it seem like you are not actually using your own words and are actually not meaning it.
PTB. It’s not even homophobic. In no way does the meme imply anything negative about homosexuality to begin with; it’s a play on words with a twist ending.
Calling that homophobic is such a stretch it should be a yoga pose.
As a queer, maybe we don’t think “wow these 2 straight people are gay” is a funny joke. It’s definitely homophobic when the only joke is “lol straights are actually gay.” OP deserved it, it’s actually really easy not to be homophobic.
Below you can read the opinions of a bunch of straights and disregard them
I’m literally gay myself lmao.
Then you should recognize the harm done to you when your identity is the butt of a joke
What harm? The only person who is going to find it distasteful are the people who are homophobic. To anyone else it doesn’t matter because being gay isn’t something to get upset about. Moreover, we’re never going to be able to change their minds on being homophobic. As a gay dude myself, I also don’t find this remotely homophobic because being gay isn’t the butt of the joke. Them being so pathetically and desperately afraid of anyone who is gay is the joke. I don’t find much difference between this and me having personally claimed that Trump is actually gay privately due to how much he hates gay people.
Thr mental gymnastics folks do to defend their oppressors against their allies never ceases to amaze me
butt of a joke
Please tell me that was intentional lol.
I can’t resist a good butt pun
That’s not the joke though.
It’s basically a pun or play on words based on Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ (the federal statute he signed) sounding like something he calls Bill Clinton, who he allegedly performed oral sex on.
The joke also works if Trump’s a woman who had a secret affair with Bill and signed the so called Big Beautiful Bill.
Of course, if the reason you’re laughing is ‘haha gay’ then that is homophobic, but technically the joke isn’t.
It is not blatantly homophobic but I find the meme distasteful.
Maybe dont post stuff where the butt of the “joke” is homosexuality.
Admins seem pretty gay. Post seems slightly gay. Source am 50%gay.
Fuck off
How homophobic
PTB. The joke is a “secret lover”, nothing about sex or gender.
Did you contact the mods and told them your viewpoint?
One of the mods _cryptagion was on my post calling me to be instance banned instead of explaining. So I avoided them.
Sorry, I am just seeing their behaviour. This is straight up Power Tripping Reddit Mod Bullshit. You did right to avoid them, they sound perpetually upset.
The mods of the comm are @Deceptichum@quokk.au and @_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus (_cryptagion has a comment in that post). Have you contacted them? A permaban in this case, when you have edited the post explaining that it was homophobic and why, seems excessive.
Edit: correcting mods links
the ban was handed out before they edited the post. long enough before that the first time I heard about the edit was today.
I’ve been a mod there for less than 24 hours, so I’ve no idea about any of this.
But looking at it, a disclaimer is a weak arse response to learning you’re posting something homophobic. You should have outright removed it at that stage yourself and the same goes for the copy you posted in whatever other community it was.
There is nothing homophobic about this. Trump loves his bill so much that if it was a person he would sleep with it
PTB if this is indeed the only homophobic thing you posted. IMO the disclaimer pretty much covers it, and a permaban isn’t warranted if that is truly all you did
the disclaimer was added after the ban had been executed.
Important context, not particularly PT, a tiny bit perhaps
I didnt even know I was banned during that time, I added disclaimer because other people explained to me why it was homophobic instead of calling me to be instance banned.
I get that, I was making it clear that I did not see you did some reflection until after you had been banned.
lol
in these cases is there a way to know who banned you? I preemptively block some people so I never get the displeasure of interacting with them.you could check your modlog: https://slrpnk.net/modlog?userId=23146731
You do not receive notifications for moderator actions on your post/comments/account, but you can regularly check this page.
(also I think lemmy should implement moderation notifications)
I had other profile that had a couple of comments removed but modlog only said “mod”.
yes, I permanently banned them.
i dont think i deserved the ban, and i want to hear your thoughts.
you were banned because you are a flotilla member who posted a homophobic meme, and I don’t want to associate with anyone who does something like that. even though you’ve only upvoted memes in our comm, I’m not willing to share our space with someone who thinks jokes that make queer people the punchline are acceptable.
you weren’t the only one banned, a (now formerly) dbzer0 user named redsand had their entire account permanently banned from both Divisions By Zero and Anarchist Nexus by the admins for being so mad over my objection to the post that they encouraged me to kill myself after admitting to attempting to dox me.
if you have reflected on your actions, and are sincerely renouncing them, then I will reconsider your ban from our comm. but if that is not the case, then I must remind you that anarchism depends on the freedom of association, and I don’t wish to associate with anyone who makes jokes like this.
FYI the joke isn’t necessarily homophobic. It’s a pun on “Big Beautiful Bill” sounding like both the federal statute Trump signed and a nickname he has for Bill Clinton who he allegedly had sex with.
It becomes obvious when you realise the joke still works if Trump is a woman who had a secret affair with Bill and signed a bill. Of course, if people are laughing at Trump supposedly being gay/bi, that is homophobic. But the joke technically isn’t.
I understand why it annoyed you, but I think the joke simply went over your head, and you assumed it was laughing at Trump/Clinton being gay/bi. You’re certainly not alone in this, given some of the comments here and in the original thread.
I assume you didn’t just ban based on this meme and actually looked at the user’s history to judge intent.
anarchism depends on the freedom of association
Didn’t you just remove that freedom from this user, though?
Freedom of association is always a two way street. If one party removes their consent, than there is no free and consensual association possible.
no, because the anarchist principle of freedom of association also means the freedom to disassociate. and in this case, the active community agreed in discussion that they did not wish to associate with this person if they are making homophobic jokes. we’re currently discussing it again in Matrix, due to this thread, and the consensus is still that the person in question is not welcome because they have not renounced their earlier behavior, despite admitting that they know it is homophobic.
there is no anarchist principle that demands you must allow someone to be a part of your community if the community can not accept their behavior. this is why anarchist collectives such as the Zapatista exile people who are guilty of serious breaches of community trust.
they are still free to use the fediverse. they can even create their own c/anarchymemes community. but to insist that they be allowed into our community, when our community has decided they don’t represent acceptable anarchist views of solidarity with all peoples would be to establish a hierarchy of them above the community.
The community decided that, or the mod team did? Is the whole community a part of that Matrix chat?
yes, the people who post to the comm or regularly comment are all active members of the flotilla Matrix. it’s not a requirement, but that is how things turned out because the comm is targeted towards anarchists in general, and specifically the members of the three anarchist instances that make up the allied flotilla. Divisions By Zero, Anarchist Nexus, and Quokk.au.
it is against the rules for liberals or authoritarian leftists to comment in the community, and those outside the flotilla instances are not allowed to downvote posts at all. were it currently possible to set specific communities to not federate outside the trusted instances set in the Piefed settings, the greater fediverse would not even be able to see the community. it is ours, and we aren’t interested in association outside of with fellow anarchists. there are other anarchy communities on the flotilla for that.
the whole point of the community is to post agitprop, memes that will anger people who aren’t libertarian leftists. if you don’t identify as that, then the community is not made for you, and that has always been pretty clearly laid out in the sidebar.
Note quokka is not part of the flotilla as they voted down the suggestion
I call them honorary members. Qk posts some good memes to c/anarchymemes
Then you block them if you truly believe in freedom of association, not ban them from the comms you moderate. I gotta say, Trump and Bill are the punchline of that joke because Trump is the homophobe and that image probably sends him into a rage. It may be tempting to think, but the punchline is definitely not “tehehe gay”. It really seems you’d have to intentionally misconstrue the meme to interprete it that way in our current political climate and the context of the platform in which it was posted to.
literally read the article the OP edited into their post. also, maybe don’t tell queer people not to be offended over homophobic jokes.
Then you block them if you truly believe in freedom of association, not ban them from the comms you moderate.
freedom of association means a inviolable right to disassociate. furthermore, since I am a mod of the comm, and Anarchist Nexus is a Piefed instance, and Piefed has better blocking than Lemmy, if I block them they are shadowbanned from the comm anyway and their posts will not federate properly. this is why I had to remove my instance block of .ML so that certain ML users could post to !libjerk@anarchist.nexus.
Your own personal rights are not central to your acting as a moderator.
As a moderator, you represent the interests of the community.
I understand your position, but not everyone considers the matter to be equally unambiguous.
As a moderator, you represent the interests of the community.
yes, which is why I discussed it with the active community over Matrix. would you like to make a guess on what they thought of the meme?
I was responding to your explanation as presented.
My own feeling is that not giving anyone a chance to take responsibility works against our interests of fostering inclusivity and responsibility. It is essential to keep open space for discussion with those who may be misguided or unthoughtful but are otherwise generally reasonable.
It is essential to keep open space
if you want spaces that remain open to a degree for liberals or tankies, then there is !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com and !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, both places where agitprop that you will often find in !anarchymemes@anarchist.nexus is not welcome. the only reason c/anarchymemes is open to the public is that current Piefed limitations do not allow us to also restrict federation of the community to trusted instances as well, so it has to be public in order for those from dbzer0 and quokk.au to post.
to put it in plain english, the whole point of the comm is to post memes that will piss off liberals and tankies. serious discussion of any kind is forbidden as there are preexisting communities for that. the sidebar quite clearly lays that out. we aren’t here for people who don’t share our values, and we aren’t here for anything more than memes.
Even if all of it is true, as you say, preemptively banning users who never posted feels very abrasive, even aggressive. I am afraid it may tend to engender negative sentiments about movements, by creating an impression that anarchists or leftists generally tend to be unwelcoming or uncompromising, just as might be actually the case for tankies. We want to maintain the appearance as a group of being open to discussion.
The question arises of whether preemptive banning is constructive, considering the power remains to ban someone later, as actually needed, as well as to remove objectionable content if submitted.
Idk it seems like you are deiciding for me if you’re banning people from comms.
the fediverse is open and free to everyone. if you want to make your own c/anarchymemes, do so. you’re still free to associate with people who make homophobic memes if you want.
but you can’t insist another anarchists or anarchist groups let you do it within their circle. I suggest you try reading the AFAQ for a better understanding on what freedom of association means: https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq/
So you would be happy to share an instance with Nazis as long as you blocked them? Kinda sus.
Also by OPs own admission: “ I added disclaimer because other people explained to me why it was homophobic” seems enough other people felt the same.
OPs response when learning it was homophobic was not to remove the offending content but to add a pissweak disclaimer?
What pissweak disclaimer? I added it so that other people would know about it. When I learned the meme was homophobic the post stopped gaining traction, and users already saw it. i think acting aggressive like that wont help anyone. Kindness goes a long way.
If enough people told you it was homophobic, why keep it up at all?
By that stage you were clearly informed it was problematic and your response was to continue to do so but add a “disclaimer” as if that makes the behaviour now okay?
If you want acts of kindness don’t continue to keep up homophobic content, because all that will do is get you hostility from the victims of homophobia.
Lol no. Block CSAM and Nazis. But a meme laughing at a hypocrit? Idk
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