First off… I just wanted to again say thank you to everyone who responded to the help post that I recently made. The outpouring of support was genuinely kind of insane and I never expected it. I’m going to make a different post elsewhere on that but like… I cannot thank you enough.
But for the post itself, this is in reference to this post that I made on September 17th about Jordan Lund’s behavior as a lead moderator on Lemmy.World. His behavior beyond the realm of questionable and into active hostility and misinformation. A user commented on that post and @'d Ruud, the head admin of Lemmy.World.
Which, you know, totally fair and valid. Who would want that person reflecting the instance? Especially when a term was used about the Canadian government that Jordan wasn’t aware of and instead of asking for clarification, or doing a simple google, he just banned Canadians and doubled down repeatedly. But in that same thread, another Admin clarified they had talked to Jordan about this specific thing and told him it was unacceptable.
Yet 3 and a half hours later, Jordan reaffirms his stance and insists that his half-baked understanding of Canadian politics is correct. For the comment and then an immediate explanation of how he is both an idiot and a liar, check here.
This all happened nearly 10 days ago. The head Admin saying that he publicly doesn’t want Jordan to be the face of the instance, another Admin saying his behavior is unacceptable. What has happened? From a public perspective? Effectively nothing. The only thing that has changed is Jordan is down two communities under his moderation belt. One of those was a dead community that was never used and the other was the Community Spotlight team.
Now there’s a thousand reasons to dislike Jordans behavior but as a Canadian? His stubborn refusal of acceptance that he doesn’t know a thing and stubborn refusal to even acknowledge when someone has proven him wrong has pushed me over the edge. As far as I’m concerned, the United States declared war on Canada when it threatened to use economic force to coerce us into becoming a part of that country. So the idea of an American in control of World News who seems to subscribe to this type of American Exceptionalism? Or at least is too narcissistic to admit fault? I can’t stomach it.
But for the Admins to publicly say that they’ve told him his behavior is unacceptable but then refuse to enforce that? Even when Jordan is flaunting it in the exact same thread and ignoring everything the admins said? Either no one ever talked to Jordan to say that it was unacceptable or someone did talk to Jordan but he just doesn’t care. Evidently neither do the admins to enforce their own position on the matter. It has been nearly 10 days and if anything is being done then the movement is a breakneck glacial pace.
I can’t in good conscience ever give another second of traffic to Lemmy.World. I moved over from Startrek.Website because of a particular person way back when. One admin on the team who was a friend of mine and had encouraged me to join there when I was looking for another instance. He doesn’t even have any involvement in LW anymore and neither do pretty much anyone that I originally knew from the team. It isn’t the same site that I started on. Maybe I never paid enough attention when signing up to make a better and more informed decision, who knows.
What I do know is I’ve moved to Dbzer0. Db0 has been offering a spot on the instance for over a year at this point and after careful consideration of a variety of instances… Dbzer0 is also the one that I would probably fit best with. So if there’s anyone out there who hates me and had @Stamets@lemmy.world blocked, here’s your cue to block this account now too. Because with a new account comes a very small number of posts. That @Stamets@lemmy.world is #44 on the amount of posts made by any Lemmy account.
I’ve got some catching up to do.
To all my friends on the LW team, I love you and support you. To the admins who had a say in this? I’m just deeply disappointed. I’ve seen the speed moved on certain things. A week and a half when y’all admitted you were talking about him before I even made that post? Come on.
Of course lemmy.world admins didn’t hold Jordan accountable. If they did, that would mean recognizing their bias and trying to correct it - can’t have that.
I will say that I was speaking to an admin, before and after this post, and I was told that they’re talking about it but due to a lot of their own rules on removing community moderators it’s more of a process that requires more time. Totally grant that and it makes sense, it’s just more time than I’m willing to let go.
Even if it takes time, be transparent about it, update the community and explain how long you expect things to take.
Keeping people in the dark will quickly be interpreted as “we don’t care”
jordan has been removed from our community team several days ago and we’re still reviewing further stuff to determine additional actions to take.
there is no clear date to put on this other than my previous comment about it taking several days, as this is all shitty work that takes time and is not something that anyone is looking forward to do. it’s obviously our responsibility to review an act in situations like this, but there is only so much time available from volunteers. i’m hoping that we can finalize it this weekend, as weekends tend to be when people have more time available.
there have been multiple voices within our team, as well as from Ruud, to simply strip his moderator permissions from all communities, but this is not something aligning with our rules, especially as this specific part was established after the c/vegan drama some time ago. there are multiple reasons justifying removal of moderators from LW communities, but if we apply them we need to ensure that we have proper justification for that, for every affected community, which is the main thing that is currently still being worked on. i expect that we will find valid justifications for at least some communities, but we need to do this before the removal.
the actions taken so far were primarily relating to his behavior while being a member of our team, not due to his behavior as a community moderator or regular user, as we intend to hold our team to higher standards than regular users or moderators, making this a lot easier to justify.
you’ve had plenty of time to figure your shit out. at this point you’re just slow rolling it as cover hoping it blows over.
which it wont… because jordan will keep causing problems for you lol.
Let’s see after this week-end. A thorough review of all the actions listed in the post would indeed take a while.
It’s been over 10 days, I am doubting they’ll remove him fully.
I’ll donate $5 to lemmy.world’s servers if they do before the end of September 2025. Please hold me up to this.
Me too!! I don’t like .world (as it is now), and I was instance-banned from there long ago (cowards), but I’ll donate $5 to them as well if he’s removed from all the politics and news communities before end of September 2025!
So is 10 days to remove the moderation permissions just not enough time? I’ve been a mod on Lemmy on another account, making a mod and removing mods doesn’t take anything longer than 2 minutes.
should we just purge all mods of LW communities because someone says so? we don’t arbitrarily remove mods without a proper review. it’s not the action of removing someone that requires time but the review whether it should be done.
10 days?! What kind of rules make it take at least 10 days to remove someone? That’s crazy. Glad you left them and came over to the cool side. :)
Here’s hoping you don’t find similar difficulties on db0, he said ominously.
db0 has a its own imperfections as do we all[1], but they are manageable as long as you don’t disagree with the mod team about a handful of hot-button issues. Lemmy.world is just reddit with less traffic and more aggressive obnoxious people, and also you can’t disagree with the mod team about a (distinct) handful of hot-button issues.
[1] Misquoting from Sadhguru: “Where are these perfect people? In all the time I have been alive on this earth, I have not met them. If you find some, let me know, I would love to spend time with them, but in the meantime we must all make do with what we have.”
Oh, that’s very cool… I can’t look at the source from /0 though, and Piefed doesn’t render it right 😭
Yeah, piefed doesn’t seem to be able to handle image titles or spoilers either.
Things that were exhaustively detailed in the ActivityPub spec: An arcane example involving creating a post using emacs and then later editing it from some other platform if you can even believe that, and how the clients should behave in that case
Things that were not detailed in the ActivityPub spec: Direct messages, threaded communities, precisely defined formats for content. Why would we need that stuff
And making sure a post came from the server it claimed to be from (http signatures are special kind of hell), quotes, poll answers (mastodon’s implementation of these are awful, they send the answer as a fucking DM, so if a server has a bug or something, someone will get an inbox full of poll answers), anything on c2s besides inbox and outbox, and looking up handles (y’know, so you can find a user without the url for their account. and so mentions can work reliably. ) and fucking reposts/boosts.
Welcome to the instance! I hope your time here is found enjoyable.
Not shocked at all Jordan didn’t even get punished. It’s an internet moderator gig, you take .5 seconds to appoint someone, and they can even remove themselves.
Let it be known that .world is a liberal copy of .ml that they loudly complain about. Removing things they disagree with, power tripping mods, and an enforced point of view amung the communities the power mods and admins control. They just don’t like that .ml does it for different political reasons.
If .world was gone I’d miss a few people, but we’d have less zionazis, transphobes, and generally smug insufferable people.
Let it be known that .world is a liberal copy of .ml that they loudly complain about.
Any day now they’ll move to the Java version of lemmy they are working on to get away from the dirty lemmy devs.
Are they actually trying to do this?
I even left a comment under Ruud’s comment asking him why nothing had been done after 5 days. His response? Crickets.
Oh I missed that update, so good to know.
there have been multiple voices within our team, as well as from Ruud, to simply strip his moderator permissions from all communities
Um, yeah, they just need to do that and stop dragging their feet. lol
Weird how they can ban users within minutes because they said “maybe we don’t need to support the parties that hold our politics hostage” but removing someone will take months and weeks.
Yep! And they mentioned that Jordan was removed from the “community team” but I don’t even know what that is or what the “community team” even did.
Does “community team” mean that Jordan was the one who came up with some of the rules for the c/politics community? Cuz I notice he would say that he was just following the rules, but who made those rules that he was following?
And they mentioned that Jordan was removed from the “community team” but I don’t even know what that is or what the “community team” even did.
Honestly I’m not even sure and I was asked to be on it years ago. I just dug through old private messages and found
In fact, we are setting up a community engagement and community management teams. One to get users to post more and one to make sure the communities are well moderated.
My guess is that overtime both groups were merged into one. However Jordan being on that team is a joke.
And saying that his punishment was being taken off that team is an even bigger joke. They don’t do anything.
Honestly, I think I’ll do the same. I’m sick of the LW mod bs anyway
Do iiiiittttt!
Welcome, friend! And hey, now you can actually see my posts. haha (.world tried to wipe me off the face of the earth and lemmy–didn’t work tho! lol)
