False . Israel never wanted the end of occupation since the beginning. The west don’t want either otherwise they would have sanctioned Israel since 67
So do you support the two-state solution
I support one state solution because i truly believe that it is possible for Israelis and Palestinians to live together in one democratic state.
Can you tell me exactly how is it possible to make a two state solution when Israel separate the west bank and Gaza? Would Israel accept 700k settlers in Israel or will Israel allow the millions Palestinians to be moved to a new Palestinian state that is weak economically?
condemn the October 7 that killed foreign hostages who have no stake on the conflict?
Yes, i condemn Hamas killing innocent civilians and take some hostages during the 7 of October.
Now do you condemn 77 years of oppression conducted by Israel against Palestinians including the kidnapping and systematic rapes in israeli jail and during the nekba?
I support one state solution because i truly believe that it is possible for Israelis and Palestinians to live together in one democratic state.
That’s actually even better. But how do you think Palestinians and Israel would be convinced to do that? What people miss is the inconvenient truth that majority of Palestinians and Israelis want the other gone. Israelis voted for Likud, and majority of Palestinians voted for Hamas; both parties are ultranationalist parties. The slogan “from river to the sea” is being wrestled between both parties, meaning they want their opponents gone. As much as I think borders are nonsensical, it serves certain purpose given how territorial and violent humans are.
Would Israel accept 700k settlers in Israel or will Israel allow the millions Palestinians to be moved to a new Palestinian state that is weak economically?
If both sides actually act in good faith? Why not? How else have other countries that share borders with enclaves and exclaves coexisted? People act like there are no precedence; as if we are inventing a new way to move objects from one place to another, as if the wheel hasn’t been invented yet and figuring out how to do so.
Now do you condemn 77 years of oppression conducted by Israel against Palestinians including the kidnapping and systematic rapes in israeli jail and during the nekba?
Yes, that’s why two-state solution is important. That was already mandated by the UN for 77 years but neither parties and their benefactors don’t want to follow.
But how do you think Palestinians and Israel would be convinced to do that? What people miss is the inconvenient truth that majority of Palestinians and Israelis want the other gone. Israelis voted for Likud, and majority of Palestinians voted for Hamas; both parties are ultranationalist parties.
You are using the same excuse used in south Africa. Many used to say that black south Africa would avenge themselves by attacking white people.
If you don’t believe that one day Palestinians and Israelis can forget about their hate toward each other then a one state or two state solution make zero difference because Palestine and Israel are neighbors
Palestinians support dropping arms once occupation end. Even if you don’t believe them Israel can easily reoccupy. Even if Hamas refuse to drop arms a Palestinian state with it’s own army will be charged to stop Hamas. The PA is already doing that. But those scummy western countries and Arab traitors are still supporting Israel and think it can fool us into believing they support a two state
If both sides actually act in good faith? Why not?
A new Palestinian state simply can’t absorb an additional two millions people and would be both side ethnic cleansing. You want instead of a democratic one state two ethenostates?
that’s why two-state solution is important. That was already mandated by the UN for 77 years but neither parties and their benefactors don’t want to follow.
Palestine want peace they just reject deals that doesn’t give them all the right that international law gave them. They should get all the recognized Palestinian land by the international community and a right to an army to defend itself . Israel leadership since it’s creation doesn’t want peace because they are the super military power ruled by a supremacist ideology that believe the whole land belong to them
You still didn’t answer the question how a two state solution would be made when part of Israel is between the west bank and gaza?
You are using the same excuse used in south Africa. Many used to say that black south Africa would avenge themselves by attacking white people.
Not sure what you mean.
In any case, did you even look at the survey from both Palestinian and Israeli side that they want the other gone? How can you expect Palestinians and Israelis to agree to a one-state? Or even a two-state solution?
You are comparing South Africa with Palestine/Israel as if both have completely the same context and scenario. South Africans of all race have a shared culture and history that still made them feel have a sense of kinship. They still call themselves South Africans. What do Israelis and Palestinians call themselves? Fact of the matter is that both Palestinians and Israelis don’t feel close affinity towards each other to form one country. If they do unite one day, there has to be mutual feeling.
You still didn’t answer the question how a two state solution would be made when part of Israel is between the west bank and gaza?
Then you probably haven’t heard of exclaves and enclaves before.
Many people used to say black people in south Africa would avenge all the year of oppression if apartheid end.
It is really antisemitic to say that the both sematic people will never like each other . There is already 2 millions Palestinians in Israel you don’t see them trying to kill Jewish Israelis in Israel.
The reason it’s different in Gaza and the west bank is that they been occupied since 67 and the reason many normal Israeli civilians say the opposite is because of the rocket. So if you remove the source of the problem the occupation and with a real truth and reconciliation process the hate will slowly vanish
South Africans of all race have a shared culture and history
Not really the Afrikaners and black south African has very different culture . Hell ,even without the black south African the different ethnic groups has different culture.
Israel and white south Africans are the oppressor. Palestinians and the black south Africans was the oppressed so yes it is valid to compare both situation. Old oppressors and old oppressed can reconcile
Then you probably haven’t heard of exclaves and enclaves before
Just explain how the state will be done instead of generic BS
That being said, did you even look at surveys? Most Palestinians and Israelis want their own country, but with the intent to push the other one out from the land they claim.
Not really the Afrikaners and black south African has very different culture . Hell ,even without the black south African the different ethnic groups has different culture.
The history and context of South Africa and Israel/Palestine are not even comparable. White Afrikaners and black South Africans have shared land with each other and have more or less either left each other alone, or gotten along before the British came. Their ties deepened further during the British colonisation; because they developed mutual disdain of British rule. Meanwhile, Jews already living in Palestine were in the minority until European Jews came en masse causing tension and drastic demographic change, especially that the new arrivals feel little connection with Palestinians.
Old oppressors and old oppressed can reconcile
Yes, but tell that to Palestinians and Israelis. Let me know what they think.
Then you probably haven’t heard of exclaves and enclaves before
Just explain how the state will be done instead of generic BS
I am done with your stupid antisemitic view and your occupation and genocide apologia. Palestinians do not want to destroy Israel, they want to be finally free of 57 years of occupation and 77 years.
You claim that most Israeli Palestinians do not identify as Palestinian is false and I am not interested in your stupid theories.
You are the troll. It’s you who is wrong in your head keeping saying that palestinians and israelis are all bloodthirsty people who would never stop killing each other. That’s the most antisemetic thing i ever heard
False . Israel never wanted the end of occupation since the beginning. The west don’t want either otherwise they would have sanctioned Israel since 67
I support one state solution because i truly believe that it is possible for Israelis and Palestinians to live together in one democratic state.
Can you tell me exactly how is it possible to make a two state solution when Israel separate the west bank and Gaza? Would Israel accept 700k settlers in Israel or will Israel allow the millions Palestinians to be moved to a new Palestinian state that is weak economically?
Yes, i condemn Hamas killing innocent civilians and take some hostages during the 7 of October. Now do you condemn 77 years of oppression conducted by Israel against Palestinians including the kidnapping and systematic rapes in israeli jail and during the nekba?
That’s actually even better. But how do you think Palestinians and Israel would be convinced to do that? What people miss is the inconvenient truth that majority of Palestinians and Israelis want the other gone. Israelis voted for Likud, and majority of Palestinians voted for Hamas; both parties are ultranationalist parties. The slogan “from river to the sea” is being wrestled between both parties, meaning they want their opponents gone. As much as I think borders are nonsensical, it serves certain purpose given how territorial and violent humans are.
If both sides actually act in good faith? Why not? How else have other countries that share borders with enclaves and exclaves coexisted? People act like there are no precedence; as if we are inventing a new way to move objects from one place to another, as if the wheel hasn’t been invented yet and figuring out how to do so.
Yes, that’s why two-state solution is important. That was already mandated by the UN for 77 years but neither parties and their benefactors don’t want to follow.
You are using the same excuse used in south Africa. Many used to say that black south Africa would avenge themselves by attacking white people.
If you don’t believe that one day Palestinians and Israelis can forget about their hate toward each other then a one state or two state solution make zero difference because Palestine and Israel are neighbors
Palestinians support dropping arms once occupation end. Even if you don’t believe them Israel can easily reoccupy. Even if Hamas refuse to drop arms a Palestinian state with it’s own army will be charged to stop Hamas. The PA is already doing that. But those scummy western countries and Arab traitors are still supporting Israel and think it can fool us into believing they support a two state
A new Palestinian state simply can’t absorb an additional two millions people and would be both side ethnic cleansing. You want instead of a democratic one state two ethenostates?
Palestine want peace they just reject deals that doesn’t give them all the right that international law gave them. They should get all the recognized Palestinian land by the international community and a right to an army to defend itself . Israel leadership since it’s creation doesn’t want peace because they are the super military power ruled by a supremacist ideology that believe the whole land belong to them
You still didn’t answer the question how a two state solution would be made when part of Israel is between the west bank and gaza?
Not sure what you mean.
In any case, did you even look at the survey from both Palestinian and Israeli side that they want the other gone? How can you expect Palestinians and Israelis to agree to a one-state? Or even a two-state solution?
You are comparing South Africa with Palestine/Israel as if both have completely the same context and scenario. South Africans of all race have a shared culture and history that still made them feel have a sense of kinship. They still call themselves South Africans. What do Israelis and Palestinians call themselves? Fact of the matter is that both Palestinians and Israelis don’t feel close affinity towards each other to form one country. If they do unite one day, there has to be mutual feeling.
Then you probably haven’t heard of exclaves and enclaves before.
Many people used to say black people in south Africa would avenge all the year of oppression if apartheid end.
It is really antisemitic to say that the both sematic people will never like each other . There is already 2 millions Palestinians in Israel you don’t see them trying to kill Jewish Israelis in Israel.
The reason it’s different in Gaza and the west bank is that they been occupied since 67 and the reason many normal Israeli civilians say the opposite is because of the rocket. So if you remove the source of the problem the occupation and with a real truth and reconciliation process the hate will slowly vanish
Not really the Afrikaners and black south African has very different culture . Hell ,even without the black south African the different ethnic groups has different culture. Israel and white south Africans are the oppressor. Palestinians and the black south Africans was the oppressed so yes it is valid to compare both situation. Old oppressors and old oppressed can reconcile
Just explain how the state will be done instead of generic BS
Arabs in Israel don’t necessarily identify as Palestinians. You are conflating ethnicity with nationality.
Isn’t it kinda racist to presume that just because people share racial and ethnic similarities that they should get along? Do you ask black people if they know such and such? You have dare to claim it is antisemitic to say that there should not be any reason for Semites not to get along. By that logic, an Arab superstate should have been set up by now despite previous attempts. Did you ask Saudis, Iraqis and Kuwaitis if they want to form a nation together despite being Arabs?
That being said, did you even look at surveys? Most Palestinians and Israelis want their own country, but with the intent to push the other one out from the land they claim.
The history and context of South Africa and Israel/Palestine are not even comparable. White Afrikaners and black South Africans have shared land with each other and have more or less either left each other alone, or gotten along before the British came. Their ties deepened further during the British colonisation; because they developed mutual disdain of British rule. Meanwhile, Jews already living in Palestine were in the minority until European Jews came en masse causing tension and drastic demographic change, especially that the new arrivals feel little connection with Palestinians.
Yes, but tell that to Palestinians and Israelis. Let me know what they think.
Don’t ask me how. Ask Netherlands, Belgium, Oman, the United States, Russia, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco, Spain etc. if they haven’t been functioning at all with some parts of their territory not connected to their core territories. Though i must admit, some exclaves and enclaves are points of contention between India and Pakistan, and Armenia and Azerbaijan, and among Central Asian countries, but not to the severe extent as we see with Israel and Palestine.
I am done with your stupid antisemitic view and your occupation and genocide apologia. Palestinians do not want to destroy Israel, they want to be finally free of 57 years of occupation and 77 years.
You claim that most Israeli Palestinians do not identify as Palestinian is false and I am not interested in your stupid theories.
Is there something wrong with you? As suspected, you are just a troll.
You are the troll. It’s you who is wrong in your head keeping saying that palestinians and israelis are all bloodthirsty people who would never stop killing each other. That’s the most antisemetic thing i ever heard