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      No, I’m quite serious. I don’t understand why I’m being downvoted for direct experience; I know conservatives who are happy that Israel is “reclaiming its rightful land,” even ecstatic; who else is funding them? I thought it was liberals who are anti-Israel.

      Can people stop freaking downvoting? I’m trying to get education here. Downvotes are for spammers and trolls, whereas I’m being honest in just trying to figure this out, geez.

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        For “conservatives” there’s a difference between what Israel does in Israel/Palestine/Gaza and what they think “the Jews” do in their country. You never heard of people claiming that for example George Soros is secretly funding something that conservatives don’t like?

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        Your first comment was downvoted because “I’ve never heard of conservatives hating Jews” is similar to “I didn’t know the sky was blue”. Racism is one of the defining features of conservatism, and frequently being faced with racism is one of the defining parts of Jewish history; see also the Nazis.

        Your second comment was downvoted because conflating opposition to Israel with antisemitism in order to accuse the left of antisemitism is a common right-wing tactic

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          I’m not conservative. Do people assume I’m conservative? Is that why people just mindlessly downvote without even caring how it’ll emotionally impact the recipient? People don’t have to cast a vote on every comment they see. Why is there such a horrible “Crucify him” instead of “Educate him” mindset? This is literally being no better than the other side.

          Racism is one of the defining features of conservatism

          I know, and Jews are considered white in all my circles across the political spectrum (I have both super-liberal and ultraconservative friends). That’s why I’ve been shocked by all this.

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        You’re downvoted because you are confused.

        1 - Being against Israel genocide of Palestinian and anti Israel is not the same thing

        2 - Israel != Jew people place, that is the narrative people push to tell jewish people to go live there even if they want to stay where they are

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        And my direct experience- as well as others, considering the downvotes- is that half of conservatives are literally KKK members, and the other half have no strong feelings about jewish people in general, unless they are killing Palestinians. Then they love Jews.

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        Most of the Zionists in America, in both the Democratic and Republican Party, are Christian Zionists. And are absolutely antisemitic.

        Zionism itself is anti-Semitic at it’s core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally. Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it’s inception as a colonialist movement. Adi Callai, an anti-zionist Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.