• d00phy@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Did they even agree he was a bastard? I vaguely remember this episode. I recall it being pretty tame.

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        Kind of. A bastard in the sense that he was a major influence to modern men’s fashion and fast fashion as a whole, but otherwise he was really a victim of the system that sought a way out and unwittingly contributed to the very same system, not to mention that he was kind of a jerk.

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      being treated as an object of reverence to be kept and provided for rather than a person of equal contributions to be given the same status as everyone else, is itself a form of oppression. Consider that “revered and provided for” is also the status of a cat, and while we certainly love those, they arent exactly treated as anything like our equals.

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        People constantly claim that women have been horribly objectified, while ignoring how men have always been treated by society, where they have no value what so ever other than as a wage slave.

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          4 months ago

          Both those things can be true. One is caused by sexism, the other by classism. Neither negates the other, and implying so is incredibly dismissive.

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            4 months ago

            This very post itself is about how men have had literally no choices at all for formal wear, which certainly wasn’t a poor man’s arena.

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              The “limited fashion choices for a man to wear” was enforced by men, not women. It’s not the slam dunk argument you seem to think it is. (Especially considering during the same era women couldn’t own property or vote.) Men have had privilege for nearly all of recorded history.

              I know you’re just doubling down on your argument here, which is a normal human thing. You should really read up on the topic and see what experts say about sexism. There are lots of good citations in the Wikipedia article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism

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          Men have always had the freedom to choose what they want to be - for women it’s the fucking bird cage or nothing… now the bird cage is gilded and pretty, but it’s still a fucking bird cage.

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            4 months ago

            Men have always had the freedom to choose what they want to be

            You don’t understand anything about our history at all, do you? English surnames (Thatcher, Smith, Fletcher, etc…) are what they are because people literally had no other choice but to work the same profession for many generations.