Thank you to all the admins and donators who kept lemm.ee going.
So what about all the valuble content in the Communities posted?
Posts that propagated to other communities will stay on servers.
Images will break though.
Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
Ootl, Whats piefed
Pretty similar functionality to Lemmy, but written in Python by a separate development team.
oh no an instance literally indistinguishable from just like plain fucking reddit is gone, whatever will we do
anyway,
So why did you guys federate with it?
Lemmee just say you shouldn’t be throwing stones with that glass ass server you got there. Weren’t y’all down for a minute? 🤔
Hexbear as a community was never going to leave. We almost lost our domain due to some silly bullshit but thankfully it didn’t happen. Even if it had though, we were just looking at a name change, maybe becoming hexbear.ml (or something like that) or possibly rebranding as some other name entirely. But we were never just gonna cease to exist like it appears lemm.ee will.
That said, I am a little sad lemm.ee is going. It may have had its share of asshole users, but there were(are) definitely some cool people on it too. And whatever anyone can say about it negatively, lemm.ee is a hundred times better than fucking .world. My god THAT instance is a cesspit. .World is vehemently, aggressively trying to be reddit 2.0 along with all that implies including amplifying everything that makes reddit a shit website and corrosive lie of “community.” Lemm.ee may have had its issues, but if nothing else, it was a solid alternative to .world and that alone is enough to make me sad to see it go. There are even a couple users on it that I hope to see make an account on hexbear and plenty of others that would fit on .ml or one of the the other more generic instances.
Edited to fix typing mistakes.
It will be a truly sad day if hexbear disappears. It’s nice to have all the toxicity in a single, easily blocked instance.
I’m joking of course, ml and lemmygrad also need the same treatment.
Yeah, the instances that are most dedicated to fighting fascism and providing a safe space for lgbtqi+ and other marginalized groups are the “toxic” ones. Those are the instances that need to be contained so you can block them, huh? HMMMMMM…
Everyone knows that’s not true. It’s laughable you even claim that. But keep trying to push that narrative anyways.
You manage to get the most lgbtq instance defederate you, in case you want you check the mirror before mmmmmmm the rest…
We arguably ARE the most lgbtq instance that isn’t specifically about lgbtqia+ (it is about radical leftism which is inseperable from lgbtqia+ rights and liberation). And nah, my
reaction is 100% appropriate here. What’s more, hexbear is known for taking long and difficult looks into the mirror, to a degree liberal instances could never hope to do. Our resolute dedication to rooting out and correcting misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism and even just plain unrecognized privilege is well known and easily confirmed by looking at our history. Whatever lgbtq instance defederated from us was not because of homophobia or transphobia or anything like that, but rather their unwillingness to address the chasers infesting their community and our subsequent unwillingness to tolerate that kind of behavior and keep it from eroding the safe space that has been built through hard work and the dedication especially of the many trans people that make up our community. Trying to paint hexbear as anything other than in complete full support of lgbtqia+, which the vast majority of us are, is absurd and insulting.Trying to paint hexbear as anything other than in complete full support of lgbtqiat, which the vast majority of us are, is absurd and insulting.
Well, I guess you can feel insulted then.
What instance was that? And Hexbear is something like 80% or maybe even 90% LGBTQ, while not being explicitly an LGBTQ instance, so what exactly does it say about us when Western, still mostly white, mostly liberal instances defederate us? That we’re suddenly queerphobic or that crackers be cracking?
I think they’re talking about lemmy.blahaj.zone.
One of my only gripes with the instance was it’s refusal to defederate yours, and y’all over here celebrating the closure after the admins took that stance really just affirms how wrong that decision was.
Looking forward to moving to an instance that is free from your shittiness. 👋
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ee shouldve blocked the triad of exremism. ml, hexbear, lemmygrad.
Triad of Extremism? That sounds kind of cool.
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to complain and beg your admins every day to defederate from .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic”. Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
hey buddy, sorry we’re too cool for you. believing in things is cringe (it’s extremism to call out other people for supporting genocide)
sorry but your form of extremism wouldve resulted in the same thing.
Actually my form of extremism is literally “indigenous people get sovereignty over their own land” so no, try again.
wqhats the matter hexbear user, not good enough for your circle jerking chambers.
lol it’s so funny to accuse Hexbear of being a circle jerk when we are the ones that made all the reddit-like instances mald and defederate us the second they were exposed to perspectives that aren’t even exclusive to communists, but are widely held across the global South.
if that is true, why are so many instances blocking yours and 2 others? your no better than your conservative counterparts. you cant escape liking authorianism and liking communism, it doesnt work like that.
The reason many instances block ours is that the majority of Lemmy users are reactionary liberals from imperialist countries that really, really hate seeing anything that counters their narrative about being enlightened progressives. A huge number of you probably have made a myth in your mind that compared to your older, more culturally conservative relatives, you’re basically as compassionate and left wing as it gets. Then you interact with communists who point out how imperialism works and how you benefit from it, as well as the action that is necessary to end that exploitaiton, and it shakes you to your core that you aren’t as left as it gets. No, I can’t be out of touch, it’s the hundreds of millions of leftists in the imperial periphery who are wrong
To make it exceedingly clear: here you are, accusing us of not being able to escape liking authoritarianism, but your own liberal positions are currently either passively accepting or actively encouraging a genocide of 2 million people in Gaza. You might say you are opposed to that, but in practice you keep condemning the radical groups that actually are doing what’s necessary to end the genocide (i.e. the Resistance in the actual countries aftected and orgs like Palestine Action and the PSL in the West) because they’re “authoritarian leftists” or even worse, antisemites.
Wherever you guys migrate, please stop concentrating the userbase around lemmy.world, that’s exactly what we’re trying to avoid with Lemmy to begin with. The best thing you can do is go to https://join-lemmy.org/ and choose a server that’s not in the top 10 or so. This will also help avoid things like the admins/mods burning out
I really liked lemm.ee because it didn’t defederate from the radical socialist and communist spectrum of political speech.
But the other issue with a bigger instance like lemm.ee going down is that as long as communities can’t be moved (including users and content) to other instances, the lemmy project will fail. Because then only centralization in a few big instances is viable, and those big instances are going to become valuable and sold to plutocrats.
Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
That’s a disturbingly good point.
Community migration is available on Piefed: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
To be fair, lemm.ee didn’t really act as host to any major communities to begin with. So communities aren’t really the loss here, and it could be that having at least a few big active communities on an instance is a key part of maintaining its long term viability.
Also, all the text posts and comments from lemm.ee will still remain on other instances. I’m sure the instance could also back up content, if the specific admin so desired to re-host.
Yeah the biggest communities seem to be movies and television, and my guess is that they’ll be gobbled up by lemmy.world. But every community migration like currently looses subscriber members, and split communities mean a lack of interaction. Social network require a critical mass, and also benefit from centralization. While federation works great for users there isn’t a real solution for communities yet. There is a lot of randomness involved, like who gets to be the first to make a community might be a bad mod in the long term. For example the reddit r/climate mod is a climate skeptic. Not sure if there is any better solution.
I’m just wondering how the best design for this problem would look like. Maybe the mod of a community could have some kind of key that he can transfer to another instance and automatically transfer all the user subscriptions and link the post history with them.
Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
Thanks, that’s interesting. Also that a python program is less resource intensive than rust lol.
But I’ve been wondering if communities should be bound to domains at all or maybe should be more free floating or P2P. Or if communities should be owned by admins at all, or could possibly be democratically controlled.
For me, the bigger problem with how Lemmy is federated is the way comments and posts have unique IDs for every instance. You can’t easily find a comment or post from one instance on any other instance. With users, you just have /user/username@instance, what we need is /post/###@instance or /comment/###@instance. Instead, we just have /post/### and the ### is different everywhere (I think it’s just sequential for every post/comment the instance federates).
Maybe there’s some reason they did it this way, but it feels like the better solution is to have the original host instance decide the number, then every other instance just use their number and their @instance.
Pretty sure that was on the bug list 2 years ago.
Yeah. There is a userscript called “Lemmy Universal Link Switcher” (link) that helps with that, but of course it’s just an UI fix.
I hope you’re not calling tankies radical socialists or communists. Because .ml et al are authoritarian instances, not lefty.
I interact regularly with “those ml” instances and don’t meet any (or not many) of people like you describe. I do believe it’s mostly rumors, propaganda, cherry picking and liberal prejudice against socialists.
Do you still know what is real? The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won’t.
In case you’re curious, I also believe “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire. I’m a realist, pacifist and materialist, we already know what the regime change sought by the US will do to the people in “shithole” countries.
I’m an an-com. It’s not rumors or propaganda, it’s seeing you in action with our own eyes. There are entire communities dedicated to calling out your redfash fuckassery on lemmy.
If you support or are silent on imperialism, you are the enemy.
But not supporting Russia is the same as not opposing US imperialism, which is the same as supporting US imperialism. Think about it lol.
And yeah, there are communities dedicated to spreading “rumors, propaganda, cherry picking” and creating prejudice. There is very little difference between the fascist lies told by MAGA and the US imperialist lies told by the MSM. You think just because Russia manipulates people, the US isn’t doing the same? Because one side is bad, the other is good? That the left is somehow immune? It’s become increasingly hard to figure out the truth of what is happening in the world, but people crave a pure certainty. That’s how the fascists won, by reshaping how the liberals perceive the world. And the neoliberals love the good vs evil narrative.
What matters is tactics and strategy. A multipolar world is better for any socialist project. Multiple independent sources of information, even if tainted, are better than a single perspective shaped by mainstream media. There are only 3 international newspapers in the world, and they’ve long been captured.
That’s why I’m specifically looking for a server that doesn’t block those pesky radicals and dissenters.
The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won’t.
I also believe “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire.
This is why I downvoted you.
Edit: looks like I pissed off the tankies. You people are transparent, FYI.
I’ll be honest i don’t get what people differentiate so much about instances. most of the time i don’t even notice what instance people I’m talking to are from, what instance the community in browsing is from, what instance the meme I’m viewing is from… is it about the software you’re using that you’re so aware of these things?
Different admins; some instances federate with some, some block others.
Community cultures, mostly, as trimmed and pruned by admins. Most instances I don’t notice massive differences in, with a few exceptions.
unless its coming from .ml, hexbear or lemmygrad. the comments cant get annoying.
With .ml you can sometimes still have a good discussion. Maybe because the community is so big. And not everyone who joins knows ml stands for Marxist-Leninist.
But those other 2 are chock full of extremists.
I finally blocked all of Lemmy.ml. You are correct of course, but the rare times someone says even a passable comment simply is not worth all the times I see the most bat shit insane replies, none of which I have to see ever again now.:-) I find that tradeoff worthwhile for myself at least.
Lemmy.world communities can get that way too obviously, as you say because of the size, but still… it’s different, the ratios of worthwhile to not worthwhile comments.
A couple of years ago it was not this way, but time has passed and nowadays it seems to become (every so slightly) increasingly true.
But those other 2 are chock full of extremists.
I always saw those two as something like far left indoctrination camps where people learn and practice astroturfing techniques.
Well, that is unless they are coming from .ml 😒
To me, it’s mostly how an instance is ran. How it makes its decisions: defederating or not, and with whom, how they handle complaints, how they handle bans, etc. makes a difference in both the communities it hosts and its members.
There’s also the matter of user culture. Some instances, like Beehaw, Lemmygrad, and Hexbear are known for a certain user culture. Some users might steer clear away from certain instances because of that perceived user culture.
And then there’s the issue of defederation stance. It might not be readily apparent, or affect your user experience in a big way, but for some users, it’s a factor. This is also where lemm.ee made its mark. It basically used defederation as a last resort, and some users were drawn to that.
I’m sorry but the best is dbzero. Lemm.ee was a damn good instance too though
I think it adds to our mystique that not even our regulars can spell it correctly :D
Why? What is going on?
lemm.ee is shutting down, due to admin burnout.
Isn’t the whole point of lemmy is you don’t “have” to monitor it with admins?
You just made me realise a non-zero amount of people have this view and post/behave however they want - leading to instance closures and defederations
Probably people getting down voted like crazy for asking simple questions isn’t really good for retention or growth. Late stage reddit behavior. Guess lemmy is going to speed run all of the downside of reddit.
It’s wise to not give a fuck about downvotes. They can’t hurt you. You can’t make it right for everyone. And that’s okay. Sometimes you say stuff that agrees with a couple of people. Sometimes you don’t. Questions included, as some might see those as a statement. You’re free to do the same. Isn’t democracy beautiful?
No, the point of Lemmy is to be decentralized and non-corporate. It has nothing to do with monitoring or moderating.
i think the point is that there is no single lemmy server - so if you want to put in the work and set up a server you never check up on, yeah sure whatever this isn’t legal advice.
But also, if people wanna set up a space that bans the most obnoxious behavior while cultivating real conversation, they can do that too.
