Look, I voted for Kamala because lesser evil > greater evil. That being said, she did express support for Israel through maintaining arms sales and military assistance.
Like, everyone recognizes that Kamala would have been marginally better than Trump. She still would have been a bad president, just not a bad president responsible for fucking the economy. Status quo and all that.
Yes she did express support for Isreal - but not for Isreal to commit genocide. You might think it was a genocide happening at the time, but most people then saw it as them fighting Hammas without taking enough care about civilians.
It was after Trump encouraged Netanyahu to wipe out all Palestinians, that things got significantly worse. I don’t think Harris would have encouraged genocide. I think she would have even pushed back somewhat against human right violations eventually.
No, most people saw it as genocide. She just pretended it wasn’t happening because it was inconvenient for her.
I don’t think Harris would have encouraged genocide. I think she would have even pushed back somewhat against human right violations eventually.
Biden never did, in fact, he openly supported it. Why would she be any different? Since when has Democratic leadership cared about human-right violations?
Maybe in your circles most people already saw it as genocide - but that’s simply not true for most most people. And of course that also applies to Biden as this was before Israel went undeniably psycho.
But I suspect you can’t tell the difference, and so you are just as happy with Trump telling Isreal to wipe out the Palestinians and build casinos in Gaza, as with Harris likely following an (inadequate) diplomatic push to respect human right. If so good for you, I’m glad you’re happy with the result.
Maybe in your circles most people already saw it as genocide - but that’s simply not true for most most people. And of course that also applies to Biden as this was before Israel went undeniably psycho.
You can keep saying “Nah, it’s not true”, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was true. It was pretty clear they were committing genocide.
But lets take your argument in good faith, lets pretend that Biden didn’t know they were commiting genocide: He still knew they were bombing innocent people, raping women, shooting kids, torturing, kidnapping, and starving people. Yet he continued to give them weapons, and support anyway. Is this your hero? the guy who raped women, bombed kids, and gave support to rapists, torturers, kidnappers, etc?
I don’t know why your so quick to defend him, but I have a few guesses.
But I suspect you can’t tell the difference, and so you are just as happy with Trump telling Isreal to wipe out the Palestinians and build casinos in Gaza, as with Harris likely following an (inadequate) diplomatic push to respect human right. If so good for you, I’m glad you’re happy with the result.
Well, if you had bothered to read what I’ve written, you’d know that I’m not happy with the result. I guess you are right, that I am “just” as happy, since Harris was pretty clear that she was going to do the same as Biden, and Trump. So yes I’m very unhappy about the result, just like I would have been very unhappy about the result if Harris had won.
She never had any intention to push for human rights, considering that she stood proudly behind Biden as he violated human rights, and made it very clear that she would keep doing the same things that he did.
Given that the options were Trump or Harris, if you really think they are the same, then you really are ok with Trump being the outcome because you didn’t care.
It boggles the mind that you would see them as the same, that you can’t recognize that even though they both are bad, that one is clearly worse than the other. But there we are.
Luckily for me, that’s not a given. Which is how I was able to vote against both of them.
…if you really think they are the same, then you really are ok with Trump being the outcome because you didn’t care.
No, I’m not OK with Trump being the outcome, because I care. If you had bothered to read what I’ve written, you would have known that.
It boggles the mind that you would see them as the same, that you can’t recognize that even though they both are bad, that one is clearly worse than the other. But there we are.
Well, it will please you to know, that I don’t see them as the same. Nor have I ever claimed that. But please, continue telling me what I think and see. I’m sure that’ll win people over, instead of providing things like data, or facts.
Nope. Only Trump or Harris could have won. You’re being willful ignorant if you say otherwise. Voting for anyone else was helping Trump win. Own it, already.
Only Trump or Harris could have won. You’re being willful ignorant if you say otherwise.
Well it’s a good thing that I never said that. I always find it so telling that Libs have to keep making up beliefs that I don’t hold, and putting words in my mouth.
Voting for anyone else was helping Trump win. Own it, already.
I will not own a lie that I don’t hold nor believe. You are the one lying. But I wouldn’t expect a Lib to own up to it, that’s kinda your whole thing.
She would have pushed back when it was politically convenient, if it became politically convenient.
I worked for the DoJ under her. The corruption was there before her and got worse under her. She is not the saint you, for some reason, think she is. An important thing to keep in mind is that simply because they’ve been demonized by the right does not somehow make them a good person.
No, she’s not a saint. She’s a politician, and a high ranking one. The only way to get there is to be a backstabbing asshole. And yes, she would have pushed back on Israel if and only if it became a politically good move - which it is now. So that’s exactly the point, she would be pushing back now. Which is much better than what Trump is doing. I know life wouldn’t be cupcakes and roses under Harris, just a lot better than under Trump. And that was the choice at the last election which too many Americans idiotically didn’t see and are to blame for Trump if they failed to vote for Harris. That’s my only point. That, and the related importance of not fucking up again in future elections because a Democrat isn’t perfect enough.
Look, I voted for Kamala because lesser evil > greater evil. That being said, she did express support for Israel through maintaining arms sales and military assistance.
Like, everyone recognizes that Kamala would have been marginally better than Trump. She still would have been a bad president, just not a bad president responsible for fucking the economy. Status quo and all that.
Yes she did express support for Isreal - but not for Isreal to commit genocide. You might think it was a genocide happening at the time, but most people then saw it as them fighting Hammas without taking enough care about civilians.
It was after Trump encouraged Netanyahu to wipe out all Palestinians, that things got significantly worse. I don’t think Harris would have encouraged genocide. I think she would have even pushed back somewhat against human right violations eventually.
No, most people saw it as genocide. She just pretended it wasn’t happening because it was inconvenient for her.
Biden never did, in fact, he openly supported it. Why would she be any different? Since when has Democratic leadership cared about human-right violations?
Maybe in your circles most people already saw it as genocide - but that’s simply not true for most most people. And of course that also applies to Biden as this was before Israel went undeniably psycho.
But I suspect you can’t tell the difference, and so you are just as happy with Trump telling Isreal to wipe out the Palestinians and build casinos in Gaza, as with Harris likely following an (inadequate) diplomatic push to respect human right. If so good for you, I’m glad you’re happy with the result.
You can keep saying “Nah, it’s not true”, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was true. It was pretty clear they were committing genocide.
But lets take your argument in good faith, lets pretend that Biden didn’t know they were commiting genocide: He still knew they were bombing innocent people, raping women, shooting kids, torturing, kidnapping, and starving people. Yet he continued to give them weapons, and support anyway. Is this your hero? the guy who raped women, bombed kids, and gave support to rapists, torturers, kidnappers, etc?
I don’t know why your so quick to defend him, but I have a few guesses.
Well, if you had bothered to read what I’ve written, you’d know that I’m not happy with the result. I guess you are right, that I am “just” as happy, since Harris was pretty clear that she was going to do the same as Biden, and Trump. So yes I’m very unhappy about the result, just like I would have been very unhappy about the result if Harris had won.
She never had any intention to push for human rights, considering that she stood proudly behind Biden as he violated human rights, and made it very clear that she would keep doing the same things that he did.
Given that the options were Trump or Harris, if you really think they are the same, then you really are ok with Trump being the outcome because you didn’t care.
It boggles the mind that you would see them as the same, that you can’t recognize that even though they both are bad, that one is clearly worse than the other. But there we are.
Luckily for me, that’s not a given. Which is how I was able to vote against both of them.
No, I’m not OK with Trump being the outcome, because I care. If you had bothered to read what I’ve written, you would have known that.
Well, it will please you to know, that I don’t see them as the same. Nor have I ever claimed that. But please, continue telling me what I think and see. I’m sure that’ll win people over, instead of providing things like data, or facts.
Nope. Only Trump or Harris could have won. You’re being willful ignorant if you say otherwise. Voting for anyone else was helping Trump win. Own it, already.
Well it’s a good thing that I never said that. I always find it so telling that Libs have to keep making up beliefs that I don’t hold, and putting words in my mouth.
I will not own a lie that I don’t hold nor believe. You are the one lying. But I wouldn’t expect a Lib to own up to it, that’s kinda your whole thing.
She would have pushed back when it was politically convenient, if it became politically convenient.
I worked for the DoJ under her. The corruption was there before her and got worse under her. She is not the saint you, for some reason, think she is. An important thing to keep in mind is that simply because they’ve been demonized by the right does not somehow make them a good person.
Case in point: Gavin Newsom.
No, she’s not a saint. She’s a politician, and a high ranking one. The only way to get there is to be a backstabbing asshole. And yes, she would have pushed back on Israel if and only if it became a politically good move - which it is now. So that’s exactly the point, she would be pushing back now. Which is much better than what Trump is doing. I know life wouldn’t be cupcakes and roses under Harris, just a lot better than under Trump. And that was the choice at the last election which too many Americans idiotically didn’t see and are to blame for Trump if they failed to vote for Harris. That’s my only point. That, and the related importance of not fucking up again in future elections because a Democrat isn’t perfect enough.