Guess what? Other forms of organizing and protest will also be opposed. And we should still do them.
If a movement is real and serious that organizing to vote in primaries is really not a big deal. Blue no matter who is really just a last resort and if you don’t want to then you should at least spoil your ballot.
PS anything you consider more effective than voting can still be done btw. Change is not an all or nothing (tho given the mindset around many here they should not be surprised when they really do keep getting nothing)
Let me guess… you are going to try anyway… even tho it is going to be opposed?
Cool, but your all or nothing still has nothing to show instead of having all. I am comfortable with the idea that I won’t be alive for the revolution. It can take a long time for society to change, but I do want to work toward it.
.mlis spinning its wheels pretending they are right. Really they are more worried about their perceived purity keeping their shirt clean than actually helping anyone. I don’t see people serious about a peaceful or violent overthrow, but I do see a group that just wants to shit on those trying to do something. In that way.mlis like that meme of the the dems and republicans being a saw and stopper, but the.mls are the stopper as they are discouraging people from joining those trying something.Wow. It’s like we’re successfully organizing and having an impact?
You can’t have it both ways friend. Either our path is impotent and we are small and unorganized or we actually have significant effects on the world and our strategies are working.
The people who believe in the ballot box have a legacy of 800k dead annually from bi-partisan sanctions, the largest criminal justice system by a factor of three, the most racially biased criminal justice system in the world, active maintenance of the domestic colonial genocide regime, active maintenance of the Israeli colonial genocide regime, domestic surveillance replete with sex pest cops stalking women, lynchings by cops and by white supremacists, 247 years of war, millions dead from wars of choice and aggression, and countless other atrocities and systems of unending oppression that both parties develop, maintain, advance, and protect.
Thank you for your effort in organizing the vote.
But what legacy do people who don’t believe in the ballot box have in preventing any of those things? Refusing to use the “concession” of voting hasn’t helped anyone.
This criticism only makes sense if abstaining from elections somehow did anything by itself, which it doesn’t. Organizing helps. Mutual aid helps. But these actions aren’t mutually exclusive with voting. It makes as much sense as saying "Don’t brush your teeth because it can’t eliminate your risk of cancer’. Not voting doesn’t stop any of the bipartisan evils, but voting alleviates the partisan ones, like women having access to healthcare or trans people being allowed to exist.
If an outcome doesn’t change based on a choice, that outcome isn’t a useful criteria in making the choice.
You really do not understand what a concession is, do you. Let me say it another way: if voting changed anything, it would be illegal. If voting mattered, they wouldn’t let us do it. The only reason they let us do it is because they have insulated their power from us. And again, this goes all the way back to founding. The founders were very clear that the masses cannot govern themselves and a democracy would be terrible for business, so they had to create elaborate systems like the electoral college and the bicameral legislature to create a buffer between their power and our will. Voting is conceded to us precisely because it costs them nothing to give it to us.
Exactly the same legacy as people who do. You are making a distinction that has no potency. What legacy do red-headed people have in preventing or causing these things? None. Red hair has no impact on these things. Same as voting. Again, the research over the last 30 years showed this. Popular opinion has literally no effect on federal policy. The government operates according to a logic that mostly ignores public opinion entirely (except rhetorically) and the only time it actually adapts to public opinion is when that public opinion is expressed in a way that threatens profits or operations.
That’s not true at all. That’s like saying criticizing rain dancing makes no sense because not dancing doesn’t do anything by itself. Do you see how silly that sounds? Criticizing voting as impotent doesn’t need not voting to somehow be potent for it to make sense.
Nor are they mutually exclusive with praying or animal sacrifice.
I hate to break it to you, but the Democrats are collaborators in creating these problems. They had trifecta control over the government 3 times and refused to codify abortion. Why? Because voting doesn’t matter. People are more upset about The Kennedy Center than about Hillary Clinton laughing at a video of a 70-year old man sodomized by a blade by partisans that her State Department managed under the Obama administration’s continuance of the destruction of African resistance to American empire as part of Bush and Powell’s program falling 9/11.
The Democrats can’t help you. They can’t save your friends. They can’t protect people. Because structurally, they have no incentive to and every time people think they can vote a couple of reps in, they prove time and again that they have been holding party discipline and allow another few Ds to support the agenda of the Rs. It always happens, it’s been happening. And the best you can come up with is blaming the voters.
That’s just not how power works. You are arguing from your steadfast belief in a myth, a fantasy that was handed to you by the very people who you think you are fighting against.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. This is literally the argument. You have arrived.
On the contrary, if voting didn’t change anything they wouldn’t suppress it so hard.
Then you’ve proved my point that voting doesn’t hurt. This is literally the argument, you have arrived.
Except for women, queer people, immigrants, people who rely on welfare, etc. Just because they aren’t the solution to most of the problems doesn’t mean that no one is affected differently based on the winner.
Yeah, if you’re going to cherry pick to maintain your fairy tale, I’m not gonna keep putting in effort to communicate with you.
It seemed pretty obvious from the outset that you weren’t going to put in effort to communicate. It’s obvious that you’re dead set on promoting your own fairy tale regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
You have provided zero evidence.
Here’s mine
https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba
https://www.princeton.edu/~davidlee/wp/voterspolicies.pdf
Oh hey, “evidence” which completely ignores my point. Try again when you’re more interested in actual communication than soapboxing.
Feel free to elaborate.