• leanleft@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    one way to look at it:

    Toyota ™

    • Market cap: ≈ $226.8 billion (USD)
    • Revenue: ≈ $334.3 billion (USD)
    • Net profit: ≈ ¥2.36 trillion → ≈ $13.0 billion

    Ferrari (RACE)

    • Market cap: ≈ $95 billion (USD)
    • Revenue: ≈ $8.4 billion (USD)
    • Net profit: > €1 billion → ≈ $1.15 billion

    but more importantly: perhaps it doesnt have to be a competition. everyone wins either way.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      1 day ago

      Well these companies have a very specific business model which is to rent out LLMs as a service, and that business model is now going away.

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        12 hours ago

        in openAI’s case, 70% of their cost is related to researching, training, and aquiring hardware to train new SOTA models.
        hypothetically, they could just put a pause on that anytime and their profit would skyrocket.
        i know they wouldnt do that.
        more likely just lower their prices a bit to remain competitive.

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          12 hours ago

          The whole justification for charging their sky high prices is that their model is genuinely more capable than others. If they put a pause on R&D, then DeepSeek will outpace them in a few months charging a fraction of what they do.

          The real problem with the American AI business model is that LLMs are a generic commodity. It’s very hard for any one vendor to differentiate themselves from others. And in such scenarios, the profit trends to zero. There’s a race to the bottom where people keep lowering their margins because everyone else is.

          So, this is why American labs want to create a cartel and control prices. They can’t afford the margins to drop to the cost of inference because they’re on a hook for insane amounts of money. So, they need the profit rate to stay high to justify themselves as a business.

          Meanwhile, Chinese companies don’t have the same problem because they didn’t spend like mad on this tech. And price of electricity in China is also around a third of what it is in the US.

          These charts are very illustrative incidentally:

          https://hai.stanford.edu/news/inside-the-ai-index-12-takeaways-from-the-2026-report