If LLMs used very little RAM and processing power, was light weight even for Mythos or Sol, would people be as opposed? Like no data centers, no memory shortages, like it was able to run on a calculator with the same performance.
The resources used are but one of the problems with the modern uses of AI. Others include:
- Copyright and privacy. AI companies use copyrighted content and private data to train their models. Many companies have terms or user agreements that give them permission to use or sell any data on their systems. They collect data where they can, without regard for ownership, copyright or privacy.
- Fakes. We cannot trust what we see or read. Of course fake news and misinformation has been a problem for years, but genAI has turbocharged it, and now even video is becoming unreliable. We cannot trust anything anymore. Even appreciation of real art suffers because artists get accused of using AI even when it was hand made. Although the impact on politics is the biggest threat.
- Companies force employees to use it, even when employees don’t want it and it hurts the quality of their work. AI is often used as an excuse to fire people.
- The AI bubble dominates the economy. This cannot end well.
There are also legitimate and useful ways to use AI, and many of them could be very valuable, but that’s not what the industry or society is focusing on right now.
AI would probably be more acceptable if all of these issues were addressed.
Yes. Cause the resource intensity isn’t the main problem people have with it.
It’s the theft.
Absolutely not, I hope.
The impact on the minds and the constant push for the thing for all the wrong reasons are enough for me to keep hating it.
And they always add it to everything, even where is not needed/wanted. It is a cool tech marketed and implemented in a bad way.
It will always be resource intensive since companies are in a dick measuring contest of who can sink the most resources into it. If it was lighter they word simply do more of it
I think its hated because its about building dystopia. We see the datacenters coming up now that are the core infrastructure for global high tech dystopia and people still think it’s about chat bots.
History books will wonder why people didn’t stop it.
Slop is still slop, and if it was cheaper and less intensive in those ways it would simply be producing way more slop.
Where I think the bulk of the hate comes from is less the tech, but more the political and business elite pushing this tech.
These people are going full mask off trying to delete those they deem the lower class, so much so they are blinded in how much they require people outside the LLMs to maintain society.
LLMs as they are now, are basically the Golden Calf scenario all over again; it is ungrateful people build a statue to claim superiority and mock that which put them in good places.
Would be even more. The main harm of AI comes from malicious actors being able to ruin the internet forever with practically undetectable bot spam costing cents to run. Also taking jobs in art, where automation was never possible as efficiency is not what art is valued for.
Well if that was the case tech bros would just strap 1000000 calculators together, call it mega AI and proceed to claim it is the next best thing that ever happened to humanity and billionaires would fund them. It is these opportunistic vultures that enshittify everything and make them anti-human.
If the AI today always proceeded with the mind set of openness and locality it could still produce very useful tools for a fraction of the environmental impact it causes now but they instead, as always, have chosen thr most aggressive possible method because it can be hyped more.
The main problem for me is that it’s so confident in it’s tone, like that idiot friend who just makes stuff up, but totally believes it. So there’s no clue (like you would get with a normal person) that the thing has no clue if what it just wrote is true or not. I could bear it more if it said “I’m not sure, but…” But then if did that then none of the idiot CEOs would buy it, so here we are…
It is functioning in similar vain to idol statues placating and validating the idolmaker. In fact, that’s my go to term for it because it’s ridiculous for they practically deify this tech.
These ‘AIs’ are still dependant on human input and human information (not knowledge) and the fact they follow a business model and not academical, means they are always seeking to earn a customer’s approval as opposed to teaching a student what they need to know.
it would reduce it quite a bit. the whole house of cards economic thing not being a thing would help to.
No because dead internet theory and it literally makes humans dumber.
Lower reading comprehension. Less able to write or even explain something.
Lower attention.
Lower proficiency in just about anything ai can do. Lower critical thinking.
There is a ton of research on this.
Ai also tells people they are always right and gives them bad advice. Sometimes fatal advice.
I think you are jumping to conclusions. Many of these things started happening before AI. This shit has been happening far longer than the past few 2-3 years.
Reading proficiency and critical thinking started their decline when tech was introduced in the classroom.
Now the constant affirmation of one’s thoughts and essentially echo chamber I can’t dispute.
Don’t get me wrong. I dislike AI and it’s proliferation into the world as much as the next person, but we can’t blame it on our societies failing schools or rather lack of true learning.
I’m not saying it’s all new problems.
Yeah you make a good point. Tech in the classrooms started the decline. Not to mention covid caused higher reliance on that tech.
And then primary schools have 1 teacher for 30 kids.
And they no longer hold kids back. Everyone passes rather they should or shouldn’t.
When I was a kid, the social shame of being held back was a strong motivator. Not just for the kid but the parents to put in more time making sure the kid caught up.
And then even after I finished, I heard that mandatory summer school was being used to get kids caught up.
But idk how common that is around the country.
But to come back to AI. There is a lot of research showing using llms literally reduces reading comprehension and critical thinking even in a short time of 1 semester.
Fair point. People don’t have to put in nearly as much effort to convey their point if they can use AI and say clean this up, make it more intelligible, etc.
it’s one segment of the problem but not all of it by far
LLM the technology is interesting and impressive. the way companies are shoving it into everything and trying to sell it as a replacement for employees is awful. The way the AI companies are behaving is awful.
AI is great! it just needs a little work on the IP theft, the environmental impact, the dopamine addiction, the cornering of the component market, the reliability, the hidden system prompts, the non-determinism, the push to have everything in the cloud, the enshittification, the empowerment of the billionaires, the reduction in user’s cognitive abilities, the lack of real-world use cases, the reliability, the spying on humans intimate thoughts, the overblown marketing, the bubble impact on the world economy, and the reliability. Other than that, it’s just fine! Trust me, bro!
The same can be said about LITERALLY every technology ever made. Everything you listed is real, problems that need to be addressed, and the companies responsible for exacerbating them held accountable.
A technologies worst implementations are not representative of its usefulness.
Unless you want to ban the entire field of biology as well for the atrocities committed associated with it.
It’s great! Except for the several teen suicides
This is pretty much my thoughts as well. My unsolicited rant:
The technology is good and anyone who says it’s “just autocorrect” are wrong. Having said that, I agree that LLMs are useful really for nothing more than low-risk, personal research and/or signposting to other sources. It’s in no way a replacement for a human (unless your definition of what a human does is that it’s just a thing that produces words at you - in which case, you’re probably a middle manager - very myopic, regardless). It’s also not appropriate for anything financial, professional, or confidential. Here, the first L in LLM is a hindrance. Local, small language models are more appropriate and cost-effective here.
Anyway. I don’t “use AI” like some people but over the last year I’ve used my access to Proton’s Lumo (already included in my subscription) a handful of times and been pleased with the results. The way that I see it is that all the LLM libraries are trained almost entirely on Reddit or websites that stole their content from Reddit anyway, so use it like you would Reddit: “LGBT horror movies before 2000,” “Summarize and cite criticisms of Camille Paglia,” “Was Bioshock 2 well-received at launch?” All very low-stakes. Doesn’t really matter. Could’ve been a Reddit thread, but it’s likely that any response there would’ve been a middleman for an AI answer anyway.
Anyway. More: Call it cope but I’ve been developing a theory/outlook that the internet as a thing is basically dead and that the Pandora’s Box of LLM tech, which can produce a basically infinite amount of what was once the internet’s currency (read: information, but really: text), has killed it. The Fediverse is utopian but I don’t think anyone here really believes it will ever be anything more than a cluster of fringe communities. Having said that, I justify good LLM use (like mine, lucky that) as being the “New Game Plus” mode of the internet. Everything is already there, everything’s unlocked. There is no challenge. It’s kind of cheating and you’re not really supposed to play the game like that. But at the same time, there is no going back to the real beginning, I just have the option of nostalgically re-creating it by going to old.reddit or postfixing before:2022 to all my
GoogleDDG searches. Fun, and game-ish in it’s own right, but also artificially limiting for no reasons beyond that./rant
Could’ve been a Reddit thread, but it’s likely that any response there would’ve been a middleman for an AI answer anyway.
Except a large part of the reason that people used reddit is that you tended to get decent information. The big/good answers would often be some dude who is waay to into football having a 6 post page about who the GOAT player is.
Now, AI is basically so prolific, that a lot of what AI is being trained on…is other AI. Its slop badly reproducing slop, and the answers that AI gives you are either wrong, or are driven largely by somebody making 50 AI chatbots to swarm reddit with their opinion (or more often, to sell their product).
The Fediverse is utopian but I don’t think anyone here really believes it will ever be anything more than a cluster of fringe communities.
A lot of people like it this way but I really don’t. What I wished happened during the last few reddit exodus was what happened back in around 2010 when digg users ran away to back-then-new reddit. The good thing about the fediverse is that people can actually choose instances they like that defedrates from content they don’t like. I’m a hypocrite if I say I don’t agree with that.
But somehow something must have changed with internet users between the digg-to-reddit exodus to newreddit-to-fediverse exoduses (weird that my auto-complete says this is the correct plural form) and not a lot of people want to contribute for making content. I’m pointing at myself as well so sometimes I do ponder why I don’t be the change I want.
Gist of it is I want reddit circa 2010-2015 on the threadiverse specifically (as I don’t use the micro-blogging side) but it’s having trouble attaining good people that are willing to contribute time and energy to make worthwhile content.
cluster of fringe communities
I was already sold on it, you don’t have to keep buttering me up on the idea.
When everything is so searchable and indexable, obscurity is almost a feature
Any good thing is ruined once it’s co-opted by capitalism.
AI and LLMs (In my very very personal and completely subjective opinion) is the coolest shit humanity has ever invented and under the right system would’ve been unanimously celebrated.
But noooooooo, capitalism had to go and fucking turn a miraculous tool for human creativity and knowledge into a relentless driver of layoffs, corporate slop and copyright theft because some greedy fucks want more money for themselves than they know what to do with.
But, well, that’s just, like, my opinion, man.
