You posted a discussion to the Ukraine community about an article from a right-wing newspaper making a spurious claim that Ukrainians are doing Nazi salutes, and you’re surprised you were banned? The same newspaper that was agreed to publish pro-Nazi content during the war.
Your question assumed the article was telling the truth. In reality, it’s propaganda, and you were spreading it as fact. There are two possibilities for why you did this, and neither are flattering.
According to Wikipedia, de Telegraaf is the largest Dutch morning newspaper, and not specifies if it has a political biashas a conservative and populist bias and based in some articles, it’s far-right and fascist “friendly”. Also, it’s not a spurious claim, it’s based in the interview of a mercenary that was in the Ukrainian Army.
During World War II, the Telegraaf companies published pro-Nazi German papers, which led to a thirty-year ban on publishing after the war. The prohibition was lifted in 1949 and De Telegraaf flourished anew to become the biggest newspaper in the Netherlands. … The paper targets a broad audience, mostly in a conservative and populist style.
Two years later, on 12 September 1902, Holdert acquired the daily newspaper De Telegraaf and its subsidiary De Courant … At the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939, Holdert, by then a long-time resident of Paris, happened to be in Amsterdam for a shareholders’ meeting. Even though he the opportunity to leave, having transferred almost all of De Telegraaf’s liquid assets to the US, he decided to stay, taking up residence in the Hotel American on Leidseplein. Under Holdert’s strict directives, his newspapers adopted a strong anti-German stance at the start of the World War II, but during the German occupation from 1940 to 1945, he sought to prevent his newspapers from falling completely under German and NSB control by allowing the publication of German and pro-German periodicals. He also agreed to support the NSB financially, as long as Holdert’s company did not fall into German hands. … He was succeeded by his son Henri Holdert, who permitted the Germans to place reports in the newspaper, which cost De Telegraaf dearly after the War. On 7 April 1948 the tribunal assumed that Holdert “had not deliberately promoted Nazi propaganda, but that he had used improper means to save his company”, so it declared 2 million guilders of Holdert’s fortune, then estimated at 17.
NSB was a Dutch Nazi party. A party that the founder of the Telegraaf supported financially.
In review, De Telegraph covers the Forum for Democracy (FvD) (Dutch far-right party) leader Thierry Baudet and other figureheads favorably. … When reporting world news, De Telegraaf utilizes emotionally loaded language in their headlines, such as “Corbyn makes an excuse to Labor voters.” This story does not provide hyperlinks to outside sources. They also use loaded emotional headlines when covering immigration: “8.5 percent of those suspected of an offense were immigrants”; however, there isn’t a hyperlinked source to support this claim. … Articles about USA politics sometimes use a favorable tone for former President Trump, such as: “Donald Trump: “Well come on, impeach me!”. … In general, news reporting is poorly sourced with a strong right-leaning bias.
My fault, I should have specified it has conservative and populist bias, and thanks for the other links. I don’t think that his editorial policy 90 years ago must be seen as the current policy but, as you has shown, it seems to be far-right and fascist “friendly”. I will edit my post to correct it.
I'm going a lot off-topic here:
I don’t think that even it has a fascists bias, we should prima faze reject its content. We should be specially critical: It’s a (wo)man-made story? What questions have been done? What narrative it’s try to push? …
The only thing that I think that we could agree is that in the article the fascist question is in various points of the article, but it not seems to be the more important points that the journalist wants to communicate (it’s not in the firsts paragraphs), but the tittle gives it a special importance.
I’m not sure what is the position of each of the Europeans fascisms about the Ukraine war, then I cannot Annalise it in this case. As a curiosity: During one or two years I was infiltrated in a telegram group of a fascist Spanish organization, that organization broke up two years ago. The most important flamewars there that I read there, just before the broke up, were “Duginist”[1] fascist vs. “Atlanticist”[2] fascist related to the Russian-Ukrainian war.
Just to clarify: I was infiltrated for my antifascist militance. ACAB.
Wikipedia has multiple versions in different languages, and those ones DO specify that the newspaper is right-wing. But even without that, they’re the only paper in the Netherlands that printed Nazi propaganda. Of course they have political bias.
So when they demonise the victims of an authoritarian regime with their source being a single person’s claims, I have more reason to doubt them than to believe them.
No, not surprised no and I was expecting the hate for sure. But we should be talking about fascism in every country, I love talking about fascism of mine for sure.
I honestly didn’t know the history of this specific newspaper (that’s on me) but you can find many other media discussing “the nazi problem” in the past and it’s not really a secret.
I’d love to see their post in a community about Russia about the atrocities of Wagner and Rusich, as well as Wagner’s co-founder being one of Putin’s closest allies for many years.
Believe it or not, I have a real actual life outside the internet. Is checking the transcript of my personal interactions with people a good metric to understand geopolitics?
You can say you don’t like me, it’s allowed bro, nobody will get mad.
Of course, clearly the mask has come off! I’m a paid russian AI robot paid directly by vladimir putin via dogecoins or gas (whichever is the easiest for him), in exchange I massage his bald scalp with baby oil and post the weakest takes on the smallest social media available.
Is it not tiring being this confrontational all the time?
My profile is public and I have talked about fascism of many countries here, you can check it yourself, do I look like your maid?
You posted a discussion to the Ukraine community about an article from a right-wing newspaper making a spurious claim that Ukrainians are doing Nazi salutes, and you’re surprised you were banned? The same newspaper that was agreed to publish pro-Nazi content during the war.
Your question assumed the article was telling the truth. In reality, it’s propaganda, and you were spreading it as fact. There are two possibilities for why you did this, and neither are flattering.
I’m tired of playing the “just a useful idiot or sealion” game
Fortunately, there usually seems to be a surplus of useless idiots.
According to Wikipedia, de Telegraaf is the largest Dutch morning newspaper, and
not specifies if it has a political biashas a conservative and populist bias and based in some articles, it’s far-right and fascist “friendly”. Also, it’s not a spurious claim, it’s based in the interview of a mercenary that was in the Ukrainian Army.What is your source that is a spurious claim?
Edit: Clarify the bias (see answers)
From the wikipedia article you linked:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Telegraaf
NSB was a Dutch Nazi party. A party that the founder of the Telegraaf supported financially.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hak_Holdert
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/de-telegraaf/
My fault, I should have specified it has conservative and populist bias, and thanks for the other links. I don’t think that his editorial policy 90 years ago must be seen as the current policy but, as you has shown, it seems to be far-right and fascist “friendly”. I will edit my post to correct it.
I'm going a lot off-topic here:
I don’t think that even it has a fascists bias, we should prima faze reject its content. We should be specially critical: It’s a (wo)man-made story? What questions have been done? What narrative it’s try to push? …
The only thing that I think that we could agree is that in the article the fascist question is in various points of the article, but it not seems to be the more important points that the journalist wants to communicate (it’s not in the firsts paragraphs), but the tittle gives it a special importance.
I’m not sure what is the position of each of the Europeans fascisms about the Ukraine war, then I cannot Annalise it in this case. As a curiosity: During one or two years I was infiltrated in a telegram group of a fascist Spanish organization, that organization broke up two years ago. The most important flamewars there that I read there, just before the broke up, were “Duginist”[1] fascist vs. “Atlanticist”[2] fascist related to the Russian-Ukrainian war.
Just to clarify: I was infiltrated for my antifascist militance. ACAB.
For Aleksandr Dugin fascist ideology. ↩︎
For pro State-Unitarians and pro NATO fascists. ↩︎
Wikipedia has multiple versions in different languages, and those ones DO specify that the newspaper is right-wing. But even without that, they’re the only paper in the Netherlands that printed Nazi propaganda. Of course they have political bias.
So when they demonise the victims of an authoritarian regime with their source being a single person’s claims, I have more reason to doubt them than to believe them.
No, not surprised no and I was expecting the hate for sure. But we should be talking about fascism in every country, I love talking about fascism of mine for sure.
I honestly didn’t know the history of this specific newspaper (that’s on me) but you can find many other media discussing “the nazi problem” in the past and it’s not really a secret.
Please could you link to posts or comments you have made about fascism in your country and in Russia?
I’d love to see their post in a community about Russia about the atrocities of Wagner and Rusich, as well as Wagner’s co-founder being one of Putin’s closest allies for many years.
Believe it or not, I have a real actual life outside the internet. Is checking the transcript of my personal interactions with people a good metric to understand geopolitics?
You can say you don’t like me, it’s allowed bro, nobody will get mad.
So in other words you don’t talk about fascism in your country or Russia on here… You only talk about fascism in Ukraine.
You push the Russian narrative and Russia is a fascist state, what do you think that makes you?
That was a rhetorical question. Have the day you deserve.
Of course, clearly the mask has come off! I’m a paid russian AI robot paid directly by vladimir putin via dogecoins or gas (whichever is the easiest for him), in exchange I massage his bald scalp with baby oil and post the weakest takes on the smallest social media available.
Is it not tiring being this confrontational all the time?
My profile is public and I have talked about fascism of many countries here, you can check it yourself, do I look like your maid?
It’s not anyone else’s job but yours to substantiate your own claims.