Look, I actually have to spend my time around Americans. I dislike them probably more than a lot of people who say stuff like in [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankieTheDeprogram/s/eHww4UALHm](this thread). But it’s not out of lack of trying.

But that’s besides the point. No other country’s people gets treated this way. And no, I’m not going to say I’m more oppressed than people in the global south or whatever. In fact a lot of psychological problems result from the fact that I’m privileged to be in the global north.

But Americans are so often…dismissed. That’s the only term i can come up with. But everyone talks about it in such idealist matter. They always talk individuals or idealism or whatever. The closest to material analysis is “the proletariat’s material conditions are closer aligned to the imperialist Bourgeoisie.” But that doesn’t just apply to Americans.

But, look. Why doesn’t any other people get treated this way? Genuinely. I don’t think Stalin sat down and said “well Germany lost a major world war and went through multiple economic crises and still hasn’t had a socialist revolution. So obviously it’s a lost cause, kill all of them.” Japan and South Korea are never treated this way, despite being very arguably in similar boats. And if we want to talk about material conditions, what about Indonesia or Iran or Cambodia or so many other nations? They haven’t had socialist revolutions yet despite their material conditions, so does that mean these people are useless treatlerites too?

I’m sorry. I know, again, we’re in the imperial core, we’re privileged. I don’t know what part of my mentally ill brain it is, but it’s just that the logic completely fails for me and that gives me anxiety, because reasons. Not just that, but the actual oppression of the communist and self determination movements here are also just ignored.

  • chinawatcherwatcher@lemmygrad.ml
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    13 days ago

    thank you! for the most part i agree with you: i really see party formation as the first and primary task, because the more i investigate existing parties in the US the more i am disappointed in them. lack of internal party democracy coupled with incorrect theory and incorrect application of theory to material conditions in the US (not recognizing settler-colonialism as the primary internal contradiction, not understanding patriarchy as a set of class relationships in relation to reproductive labor, etc) makes for ossified, non-revolutionary organizations. and, i think studying and using studying as an organization tool is the first and primary task of party formation: how can we learn to build our own party without having thoroughly and collectively learned from all successful attempts at revolutionary party formation?

    and yeah, i think not just one but many historic opportunities are on the horizon for the next century or two, because i think it will take multiple acts of spontaneous unrest for the masses to come to the correct conclusion. and these will obviously increase in likelihood the worse material conditions in the core become, whether via increasing multipolarity possibly leading to a world war, or climate change (which as a ticking time bomb is both a gift and a curse), or other means. but i think for success ultimately two things must occur: global north masses’ material interests must align with those in the global south more than not, and a truly revolutionary party must be present and organized enough to make the masses aware of this qualitative development the moment it occurs. the former will happen sooner for those more exploited within the core (black, indigenous, latino, but also queer and disabled folk), making a multi-vector class analysis critical for any revolutionary org within the core.