The bit where you implied the existence of inequality meant the existence of class. The party is made up of the working classes, they are not classless. They aren’t a distinct class, but instead a part of the working classes. Instituting small amounts of controlled private property in order to help with their tourism industry is not “taking to capitalism like ducks to water as soon as they get the chance,” Cuba has been socialist for a long time and the recent private concessions are due to struggles from the blockade.
I love the working class, that’s why I support the working classes that have taken power around the world and direct the economy to suit the needs of the people, rather than redefine words and imagine an ever-purer and ever-nonexistent version of socialism in my head to compare them to.
existence of inequality meant the existence of class.
Again - which part of this…
The most basic requirements of socialism are that the working class is in control of the state,means of production.
…contains the term “equalitarianism,” tankie?
Do tell, tankie… how does this inequality exist if the working class are in control of the means of production?
Your concept of socialism is anti-socialist.
Why should we treat you any different from all the other anti-socialists?
The party is made up of the working classes,
Oh really? These party elites you simp for are mere members of the working class, eh tankie?
When it comes to modernising feudal power relations for secular industrialisation you Marxist-Leninists have outdone liberal capitalists by every metric except longevity.
Your point on there being some level of inequality in Cuba is basically a point about equalitarianism. The inequality exists because Cuba is a very poor country, and as such there is uneven development and distribution, even if tje working classes are in power. Yes, the PCC is a working class party.
You have no points, you just redefine words and hurl petty insults. It’s painfully boring, especially considering your line of logic is being used right now to justify bombing Venezuela. You despise the working class and the power it builds as it actually exists in real life, while you continue to paint an ever purer vision in your head to beat the global south with like a club. You’re an imperialist first and foremost.
Correct, the fact that people are paid differently for different job positions that vary in complexity and importance is a factor of development. In a higher, more developed stage, this disparity will shrink, but the first obstacle to that is ending the blockade, not overthrowing socialism. You can repeat your mantra like you’re casting a spell, but your words ring hollow as you continue to manufacture consent for the US empire to overthrow Cuba’s democratically run socialost system as it’s doing right now with Venezuela.
If the only thing you recognize is purity, then you alienate yourself from real working class struggle. You have the kind of attitude of someone who doesn’t actually organize in real life, because the only things that pass your purity test are ideas.
In a higher, more developed stage, this disparity will shrink,
Oh, so the closer Cuba gets to Marxist-Leninist Second Coming - oops, I meant to say, “communism” - all work will suddenly be equal in complexity and importance, huh?
Did you learn that from Marx? Really?
manufacture consent for the US empire to overthrow Cuba
What’s with the sweat, tankie? I don’t mean this as a compliment… but this level of desperation is uncommon in your kind in my experience.
Is your loyalty to “The Party” not as pure as you’d want it to be?
As Cuba develops, it can better provide for its people. Production equipment that produces more provides for more. It’s not a random, instant snap from whatever evil fantasy you have of it to a communist paradise, but a gradual process of improving production, distribution, infrastructure, etc so as to better materially support the populace. This is basic Marxism, yes, verified in real life by real practice.
I have no idea what you mean by “my loyalty to my party” or “desparation.” The US Empire is actively kidnapping democratically elected left wing leaders to re-colonize these countries. The problem with only painting prettier and prettier pictures of socialism in your head and using it as a club to bash against anyone doing socialism in real life that doesn’t quite look like your fantasy is that you change nothing and uphold imperialist narratives about these countries.
Claiming I despise the working class is just projection on your part.
As technology improves, work becomes more similar in complexity and ease. We develop things that make it easier to work all the time, it’s just that under capitalism this is for profit, rather than needs. For the labor that can’t be made equivalent, usually reduced working hours or other such implementations are suggested.
I don’t “blame” Marx for anything, I thank him for accurately explaining the mechanisms of capitalism and how the working classes can gain control, as they’ve done in Cuba. I’m also not a member of the PCC, so I don’t know what you mean by “party” loyalty in the context of Cuba. I do organize, but not in Cuba. I’m loyal to the working classes, and support their system.
The bit where you implied the existence of inequality meant the existence of class. The party is made up of the working classes, they are not classless. They aren’t a distinct class, but instead a part of the working classes. Instituting small amounts of controlled private property in order to help with their tourism industry is not “taking to capitalism like ducks to water as soon as they get the chance,” Cuba has been socialist for a long time and the recent private concessions are due to struggles from the blockade.
I love the working class, that’s why I support the working classes that have taken power around the world and direct the economy to suit the needs of the people, rather than redefine words and imagine an ever-purer and ever-nonexistent version of socialism in my head to compare them to.
Again - which part of this…
…contains the term “equalitarianism,” tankie?
Do tell, tankie… how does this inequality exist if the working class are in control of the means of production?
Your concept of socialism is anti-socialist.
Why should we treat you any different from all the other anti-socialists?
Oh really? These party elites you simp for are mere members of the working class, eh tankie?
When it comes to modernising feudal power relations for secular industrialisation you Marxist-Leninists have outdone liberal capitalists by every metric except longevity.
Your point on there being some level of inequality in Cuba is basically a point about equalitarianism. The inequality exists because Cuba is a very poor country, and as such there is uneven development and distribution, even if tje working classes are in power. Yes, the PCC is a working class party.
You have no points, you just redefine words and hurl petty insults. It’s painfully boring, especially considering your line of logic is being used right now to justify bombing Venezuela. You despise the working class and the power it builds as it actually exists in real life, while you continue to paint an ever purer vision in your head to beat the global south with like a club. You’re an imperialist first and foremost.
Right, right… it has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of a party elite that takes care of itself first.
Riiiiight.
Again… why do you despise the working class, tankie?
Correct, the fact that people are paid differently for different job positions that vary in complexity and importance is a factor of development. In a higher, more developed stage, this disparity will shrink, but the first obstacle to that is ending the blockade, not overthrowing socialism. You can repeat your mantra like you’re casting a spell, but your words ring hollow as you continue to manufacture consent for the US empire to overthrow Cuba’s democratically run socialost system as it’s doing right now with Venezuela.
If the only thing you recognize is purity, then you alienate yourself from real working class struggle. You have the kind of attitude of someone who doesn’t actually organize in real life, because the only things that pass your purity test are ideas.
Oh, so the closer Cuba gets to Marxist-Leninist Second Coming - oops, I meant to say, “communism” - all work will suddenly be equal in complexity and importance, huh?
Did you learn that from Marx? Really?
What’s with the sweat, tankie? I don’t mean this as a compliment… but this level of desperation is uncommon in your kind in my experience.
Is your loyalty to “The Party” not as pure as you’d want it to be?
As Cuba develops, it can better provide for its people. Production equipment that produces more provides for more. It’s not a random, instant snap from whatever evil fantasy you have of it to a communist paradise, but a gradual process of improving production, distribution, infrastructure, etc so as to better materially support the populace. This is basic Marxism, yes, verified in real life by real practice.
I have no idea what you mean by “my loyalty to my party” or “desparation.” The US Empire is actively kidnapping democratically elected left wing leaders to re-colonize these countries. The problem with only painting prettier and prettier pictures of socialism in your head and using it as a club to bash against anyone doing socialism in real life that doesn’t quite look like your fantasy is that you change nothing and uphold imperialist narratives about these countries.
Claiming I despise the working class is just projection on your part.
So how does this make all work “equal” in complexity and importance?
So you’re going to try and blame Marx for the fact that the working class and the actual work we do is nothing but abstractions for you to play with?
Since when have you tankies been loyal to anything else?
As technology improves, work becomes more similar in complexity and ease. We develop things that make it easier to work all the time, it’s just that under capitalism this is for profit, rather than needs. For the labor that can’t be made equivalent, usually reduced working hours or other such implementations are suggested.
I don’t “blame” Marx for anything, I thank him for accurately explaining the mechanisms of capitalism and how the working classes can gain control, as they’ve done in Cuba. I’m also not a member of the PCC, so I don’t know what you mean by “party” loyalty in the context of Cuba. I do organize, but not in Cuba. I’m loyal to the working classes, and support their system.