just several days ago, after 7 posts and at beast 150 comments, i (under !DylanMc6@hexbear.net) got banned from hexbear for “History of repeating US state department talking points, anti-socialism and zionism”.
this ban came after some of my comments were deleted for either “zionism”, “fedposting” or “manufacturing consent” just a week ago.
after my hexbear account got banned, i continued to post stuff on hexbear communities through this account (!@DylanMc6@lemmy.ml) (because lemmy is part of the fediverse which means i can log in to a different lemmy instance with this account), and just earlier today, a couple of my comments (about charlie kirk) that i posted on !slop@hexbear.net were deleted for reasons of “Liberal civility politics”.
hexbear also deleted another comment i posted there where i said “we should segregate clankers from society”, as well as another comment for the reason of “libertarian” simply because i put “left-libertarian”.
left-libertarianism is a form of libertarianism that combines individual freedoms with social equality, and can be used to mean “antiauthoritarianism” - an example of left-libertarianism is libertarian socialism which supports self-governance and workers’ self-management.
although i support left-libertarianism, i find collectivism to be pretty interesting - i think that individuals are worthy of respect and freedoms, but i also think that the individual CANNOT organize alone - collective action is very necessary.
most of me realized that what i said on hexbear can be misunderstood as “us state department talking points, antisocialism and zionism”, and i apologize for that.
on the other hand, part of me is very glad that i got banned from hexbear because obviously, some people there is extremely hardline.
i apologize to any hexbear people reading this, i just had to do a rant here. seriously!
edit: here are the modlogs (for this account and !DylanMc6@hexbear.net):
Ah, I see the issue: You care too much about randos in the Internet and their digital pillow forts.
quoting an older response I saw to you here:
you just sort of say your thing and move on, even if you pose yourself as seeking conversation. This is exemplified by how you constantly say the same things unprompted over and over even when not a single person has responded positively to some of it, and there’s no apparent effort to change what you’re saying to even account for that, even if it’s just presenting an argument differently (though normally you don’t even really argue, you just declare).
you did that same sort of behavior about the ongoing genocide and got banned.
you go into a Marxist/anarchist space and act confused when people react negatively to someone pushing a reformist social democrat line.
YDI.
well i apologize for calling the ongoing genocide a “feud” - i realize now calling israel’s genocide and war between israel and palestine a ‘feud’ is an insensitive understatement. seriously!
You got banned for trying to be a “centrist” too much. It’s not just being a “fence sitter” about charlie kirk, but also about Palestine. I cringed. Your comments weren’t misunderstood, I think you were either uneducated about the severity of the war or trolling. Hexbear can be wrong, but this time around they were tired of holding your hand. It’s also considered bad form to continue engaging with a community that has already banned you, seriously. This is why modlogs are required btw.
Seriously!
do you have any resources and such?
About which topic? For Palestine, you can web search about how Israel was founded. Which included forcibly relocating and occupying the land. For Charlie Kirk, you’re going to need some empathy that I can’t help you with since he was encouraging people to hate LGBT folks.
- palestine, as well as why revolution can help empower oppressed peoples (which i agree with)
- i have empathy (which charlie kirk views as a ‘new age thing’).
- i’ll just say it: part of me is glad charlie kirk got shot because he was really polarizing and inciting hate. seriously!
Alright I am going to give you advice then so this doesn’t go wildly off topic. You can ask questions, but don’t make assertive statements if you do not know about the subject and are still learning. Don’t assume people will like you for being a centrist, especially in the context of the US which does not have a leftist major party (thus you are sitting more towards right wing by being a centrist). When it comes to things like charlie kirk, you need a tougher backbone, don’t be afraid to tell people your opinion while still keeping things in context (don’t tell people not to be happy about someone’s death when that person contributed to the suffering of many people which most likely includes the person you are talking to). But if it is about something more complex involving a long history like Palestine, you need to research yourself and listen to others trying to help you. Not everyone wants to hold an internet stranger’s hand through this stuff. For instance, I do not want to explain the entire history of Palestine to you.
Also, please attach screenshots of your modlogs. Both your hexbear and current account since those are the accounts you are complaining about hexbear banning you over.
here you go:
If you’re banned from an instance, it’s probably a good idea to stop interacting with them altogether since it’s been made clear you and the instance don’t exactly align.
In all corners of the internet you’re going to get, uh, enthusiastic individuals who feel quite strongly about their online experiences and activities and act accordingly. That’s kind of a given side effect by now, as seen with moderators of all sorts of sites.
The great thing about the fediverse is that it’s decentralized, so you’re not excluded from participating in communities altogether :) /gen
It is okay to leave an instance behind if your values conflict
i support the idea of socialism, and i find communism to be pretty interesting - a classless moneyless stateless society is good. seriously!
I’m with you there - also mostly/vaguely leftist/anarchist but also acknowledge my own cultural background as something that colors my worldview, which doesn’t always jive with more staunch ideological lines.
No judgment here, and you’re not alone.
I remember the first time I was permanently banned from Hexbear. the novelty of it wears off after the second or third time.
how?
Say something mean about Stalin or Xi Jinping and see how fast you get harassed and then banned. The same goes for your current instance.
i WOULDN’T say anything against stalin or xi jinping - they’re both mixed bags. i really hope that’s NOT mean. seriously!
… shit happens.
you don’t get along with whoever is there, and you say you’re better for it so I’d leave it there I suppose.
It’s absurdly stupid to me to just delete and ban viewpoints you don’t agree with. Even if you’re not open to the possibility of changing your perspective on things, how are you going to promote your mindset if you’re incapable of addressing how it’s superior to the other views? If you can’t successfully make that argument, then perhaps you’re wrong? I’d MUCH rather find out the truth of things than refuse to face my errors and wind up being an ass.
what do you mean by that?
they mean, ppl who ban/delete can’t have a conversation or discussion to convince others of their views. the instance/community becomes a small circlejerk. even tho it seems to be public, it’s defacto private and will never recruit anyone new for their cause.
at least this instance is public to everyone, regardless of where they stand on the socialist spectrum. seriously!
I have blocked Hexbear, not due to their opinions but due to their behavior.
They seem to prefer trolling and sarcasm over arguments in my experience.
PTB. Hexbears hate being challenged from the anti-authoritarian left and will look for any flimsy excuse to ban so that they don’t hear dissenting viewpoints.
what about the antistalin (NOT ‘anti-stalinist’, ‘antistalin’) marxist-leninists?
What about them?
crickets
Hexbear is mostly an annoying troll community, my Lemmy experience has been way better since I blocked the community.
do you have any reasons?
I just listed them
are you aware of the “tankie triad”? if you got banned from hexbear, it’s only a matter of time before ml bans you too. these instances are known for ban-happy mods who target people who don’t align with the party (CPC) rhetoric. you should change your instance
i think i’m NOT gonna get banned from this instance. seriously!
