• Krono@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    And what are the people going to do about it? Vote harder? Protest?

    We did all that in 2008, and Obama still let the war criminals go free.

    So if you honestly believe this situation will be different, please explain how it is different.

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      1 day ago

      Mubarak was dictator of Egypt for decades. When the cost of bread became unaffordable, he was out within weeks.

      Change is impossible until it’s inevitable.

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        1 day ago

        Oh so you’re saying we need violent coup of the American government in order to make progress? That makes sense.

        It seemed like you were suggesting we could get ICE Nuremberg trials through the electoral process. That is a fantasy.

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          11 hours ago

          I’m not an accelerationist. Too many innocent people would be hurt in a revolution. If we can get there through reform, it should be pursued.

          I don’t exaggerate when I say the fascists’ greatest weapon is demoralization. If they can get us to accept their agenda without a fight, they truly win. Don’t help them win.

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            3 hours ago

            Well if you aren’t an accelerationist, then why would you point to Egypt as a positive example? Ousting a brutal dictator, ushering in a short era of political instability and violence, and then ending up with another brutal dictator - it seems to me Egypt is a prime example of accelerationism gone wrong.

            But more broadly, I feel you didn’t answer my original question. I agree if we can get there through reform, we should try. But we have been trying. We’ve been trying - and mostly going backward - for at least 40 years.

            If reform is impossible, then it is the reformists who are accepting the fascist agenda without a fight. If reform is unlikely, then it is the reformists who are helping the fascists win.

            So what makes your possible reform any more likely than the reformists that have come before you? How can you be sure that your position isn’t helping fascists win?