These shitheads. They only had to do nothing, and they managed to fail at it.
After reading more about the deal, it’s actually starting to look pretty smart.
They’re only funding the government until January.
So all the stuff where the Republicans have to bring votes by December isn’t a punt, because the Dems are keeping a loaded gun on the table. If the GOP fail to uphold their side of the deal, they can just shut the government down again, right away, with a clear and obvious justification.
The reality is, actually getting these ACA subsidies extended was never likely to happen. It has to go through a GOP controlled house, and Trump. But by holding out for an agreement to actually put it to a vote, the Dems have put the issue squarely on the GOP. They’re gonna force them to either shoot down their package in the Senate, shoot it down in the House, or have Trump veto it. It’ll fail in one of those ways, mark my words, not it’ll fail in a way that is very obviously the GOP choosing not to stand up for regular Americans. And by extending the issue with the shutdown there’s been enough time for people to start seeing the 2026 rates and really getting a picture of how this is going to hurt.
I think this is a solid win. The subsidies were always doomed, and I don’t think actually extending them was ever the objective. I think the point was to force the GOP to kill them in a very public and obvious way where its clear who is holding the knife. This deal achieves that.
Edit: Strike the above. After understanding some more of the details, it’s not looking nearly as smart as I’d first assumed. Leaving the original up to not ruin the continuity of the thread.
If the GOP fail to uphold their side of the deal, they can just shut the government down again, right away, with a clear and obvious justification.
This is 100% incorrect. Come January, if the Democrats try to drag their feet on funding the government again, the Republican fascists can simply pass a continuing resolution to override the Democrats and prevent another shutdown. Those eight Democrats just gave up the only leverage they’ll ever have to bring back ACA subsidies.
(The reason the Republicans couldn’t just pass a continuing resolution now to end the shutdown is that it can only be done once a year, and they already burned it on the Big Ugly Bill.)
Thanks, that seems to be context I was missing and does change my read on this pretty substantially. Someone else made the same point earlier, but without the specific details about the procedural hows and whys.
That would still force the GOP to burn their one CR for the year in January, which is not nothing, but I can absolutely agree that it’s far less leverage than I’d initially taken it to be.
No, it is not fucking 4d chess.
Yes, we were always going to lose healthcare. trump only wants to destroy Obama’s legacy.
But the Democrats chose the absolute most demoralising time possible to cave and still only used their sacrificial lambs who aren’t up for reelection next year.
They uses the shutdown to win last Tuesday. Now they want to go home.
100% this. They’re getting what they wanted, personal safety. If they show thats what moves them, personal threats to their own prosperity or safety, we should take note. The Luddites and Mother Jones are watching us.
I think their strategy was to force the issue in January. The person you replied to is right about that.
But they chose the absolute worse time to do it and it makes them look terrible. It was a shit play
No no, see, they are playing the savvy long con. They give in to all demands, at all times, and never fight. And then, they keep doing it. And doing it, and doing it. And THEN! Then, well, then we have a fascist dictatorship and they will not be executed because they were spineless enough not to stand up to the fascists, and it’ll be OK!
Selling today for tomorrow erases all the pain that was suffered for a promise to do the same tomorrow. Neither party is in our favor. Burn it to the ground.
Another video game general.
Think SNAP payments will go through if we ‘burn it to the ground?’
Think the nuclear submarines will just vanish?
Idk if you know about the nuclear submarines then maybe you and your bosses shouldn’t have diddled kids to get us in this position.
Enslave the kids to pedophiles or rip the band aid and start fresh that’s the choices these leaders are giving you. I don’t have kids.
SNAP isn’t going through now and it also doesn’t survive the project 2025 chopping block so it’s a moot point.
I’m open minded.
Lay out a detailed plan of how you’ll ‘burn it to the ground’
Money talks. The donor class needed 8 dems to end the shutdown and turn on the money fountain again, and they got them. If they had needed 25 dems to cave, they would have gotten 25. If it was (somehow) critical to maintaining their wealth that 40 republicans vote for the “Trans and Immigrants are Actually The Best Bill”, then 40 republicans will vote for it. Congressional outcomes have nearly nothing to do with voter preferences, you can look up studies on exactly how that has become totally desynced the last century, especially since Citizen’s United.
Citizens United is where this country really went wrong.
Country has been wrong a long time, but much more transparently so.
Schumer voted against the deal. Place blame where it belongs:
John Fetterman
Catherine Masto
Jacky Rosen
Angus King
Maggie Hassan
Tim Kaine
Dick Durbin
Jeanne Shaheen
These are the ones who caved.
Are people down voting because he voted to open the vote? I’m so confused, all of this is so damn confusing.
It’s because Schumer worked to get this to happen, then bowed out at the end so he could pretend he had nothing to do with it. He was the architect and the driving force behind this capitulation.
So people are downvoting MiddleAgesModem for falling for a blatantly obvious attempt by Schumer to redirect blame.
It’s because Schumer worked to get this to happen, then bowed out at the end so he could pretend he had nothing to do with it.
Absolute fucking bullshit. Pathetic fucking lies so you can carry on with your pre-existing hatred of Schumer. He did exactly what you said you wanted him to do and now you’re blaming him for something? Stupid. Dumb fucking baseless conspiracy theory, I swear you guys are no better than Trumpers.
He was the architect and the driving force behind this capitulation.
Prove it, dumbass. You’re just a progressive dipshit blatantly lying to stick it to the “establishment Dems”.
So people are downvoting MiddleAgesModem for falling for a blatantly obvious attempt by Schumer to redirect blame.
I have 17 upvotes and 7 downvotes, dumbfuck. Do you know what numbers are?
It’s because Schumer worked to get this to happen, then bowed out at the end so he could pretend he had nothing to do with it.
What have you read that proves that to be true?
He was the architect and the driving force behind this capitulation.
Again, based on what?
So people are downvoting MiddleAgesModem for falling for a blatantly obvious attempt by Schumer to redirect blame.
I have more upvotes than downvotes, in case you didn’t notice. Maybe not everyone agrees with your unsubstantiated accusations. Some of us still need proof to form our opinions. You disregard proof so you can maintain your inflexible opinion.
Probably because it is naive to think that Schumer didn’t approve or even push for the Democrats to capitulate.
I’m sorry, it’s naive to not believe your dumbfuck, baseless conspiracy theory?
Other way around, champ.
People are downvoting because they’re using this to fulfill their pre-existing hatred of Schumer. Even if it doesn’t make any sense.
Aw Tim Kaine? He seemed cool when I lived in VA as a kid…guess he got bought up.
Like the others, he pussed out.
