So now we’re down to you just blatantly making shit up based on the vibes.

You seem to be confusing feelings about genocide with actual material outcomes. It really doesn’t matter if a president enthusiastically sends billions in arms, or feels “queasy” doing it. The same number of people die. And it’s illegal either way.

You people are psychotic.

And if you think Biden felt bad about arming the genocide, you are not at all familiar with his record. There are many hours of archival footage of him calling for exactly this on the senate floor for years. You just bought into the PR.

I’m just repeating what human rights organizations were saying. I guess you’re accusing them of making it up.

How would you feel if Mexico let Russia place troops and missile deployments at their border with the US? It’s their border, right?

Love that you tried to play both angles, though. It didn’t happen, and even if it did… I needed a good laugh. It did happen, and foreign policy experts at the time warned Obama that it would provoke an invasion from Russia. Even war criminal Henry Kissinger said it was a fucking terrible idea.

LoL. It’s wild that you wrote this thinking you were making a good point. You really think you’re not also fascists, while arguing there’s acceptable degrees of genocide support?

There’s so many differences!! I just can’t name one.

Can you please point out the significant policy differences to me? I don’t see them. Neither did much of the electorate.

You should write your own article about how your “lived experience” cancels out all of these.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/the-obama-administration-recklessly-escalates-confrontation-with-russia/tnamp/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline/

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/opinion/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TC/

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/the-obama-administration-recklessly-escalates-confrontation-with-russia/tnamp/

I’m actually arguing against infighting in this instance. I personally believe both Trump and Harris voters should be ashamed of what they’ve supported.

But I don’t see why they shouldn’t get along with each other. Seems they have a lot of common ground. Their policies are so similar, the Harris campaign had a lot of trouble differentiating her platform, and had to resort to weak attacks like ‘Trump is WEIRD!’

Both camps support mass deportations, increased fossil fuel extraction, support for genocide in Israel, escalating tensions with China & Russia, increased police budgets, etc. Both full-throated support for a flavor of capitalist fascism. They certainly have more in common with each other than anyone on the left. And they both support the rapists & genocidal criminals in their party of preference. Doesn’t seem the Trumpers nor Harris supporters are in any position to be acting too smug to associate with the other.

Your lived experience does not outweigh historical fact. Obama similarly escalated Ukraine tensions on his way out, and deployed a significant number of troops and missile deployments to the Russian border, which Trump then pulled out and the media spun as Trump loyalty to Putin.

And human rights orgs were raising alarm bells about ethnic Russians in East Ukraine being slaughtered for years by the Nazi government. Is your lived experience also supposed to weigh more heavily than that?

Ask your Ukrainian friends why the government keeps naming streets after and erecting statues of famous Nazis from history. I’d be interested to hear the spin on that.

I don’t know what to tell you. Those things happened. It’s just not flattering for the US, so it’s not mentioned much in the news.

Self-defense against state violence. Death threats against corporate execs and politicians who condemn thousands to death daily.

What about Harris voters, who also support genocide?

I totally get not wanting to break bread with Nazis. But to sit with Harris supporters and not Trumpers projects more concern with vibes than actual policies and outcomes. You’re just showing a preference for blue Nazis over red ones at that point.

I’m not gonna stick to the western narrative, if that’s what you mean.

I suspect she prepping for a future presidential run as a Republican candidate. Given the way some Dems are specifically going after her, they seem to expect it as well.

Because they were slaughtering ethnic Russians in east Ukraine for years, and allowed NATO in to deploy loads of missile and troop deployments at the border. They intentionally provoked it.

Unprovoked? The Nazi puppet government was slaughtering ethnic Russians in east Ukraine for years prior to the invasion, while allowing NATO to deploy droves of troops and missile deployments at the Russian border.

Awesome.

Say it ain’t so!! Now the revolution is dooooomed!!!

I don’t give a fuck how it comes across. I’m not trying to make friends. I’m trying to wake people up to reality.

We’re living under fascism. We can’t vote our way out of this. That doesn’t mean there’s no way out. It just can’t be done within the system.