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genocide. Which the Russians also attempt to commit against Ukrainians denying them their right for self–determination, my dear Russian friend.

Thank god Zelensky is not trying to commit genocide on Ukrainians denying them their right for self-determination by forbidding people to leave the country and kidnapping them off the streets 1 by 1 in front of their mothers/wives and sending them to the meatgrinder, am I right, my dear Western friend holding the moral high ground?

Unless it’s auditted and open source then you should assume its spyware.

I do. I use Matrix and recommend it to all my friends.

“Telegram is spyware” was not the original thesis I replied to, it was about “operated by the enemy”.

Sure, what exactly would you like to have a proof for?

I know, right? I was also shocked when I discovered that it’s not just the evil-evil Russia who does the propaganda thing! :)

Is anything I’ve said a lie though? Or maybe misinformation? Or maybe I’m manipulating facts? Or maybe “Russian talking-points” is how you label inconvenient truth that you are not willing to accept? :)

Debunk what I’ve said, show everyone that I’m just a Russian propagandist (or even better - a bot) spreading lies and deceptions!
Ah yeah right, why do that if calling someone a “Russian larper” is a good enough argument for some folks… :)

Thanks, that was an interesting read :)

Of course it doesn’t prove anything (especially that Telegram sends any information about Ukrainians to Russian government!), but at least those allegations indeed have more credibility than the usual “Russia bad”. It also doesn’t say anything about Durov doing something because he had financial problems. And what it definitely doesn’t say is that “Telegram is operated by Russia”.

Yeah, I hear this quite often :)

Every Ukrainian who doesnt want to die for Zelensky is a Russian, yeah yeah yeah heard that one more times than I can count.

Cheers :)

What gives those rumors credibility other than “Russia bad”?

If you have links to some sources with some facts - I’d very much like to read them

Russia literally wants Ukraine wiped out and yet the idiots unable to change an app on their phone because “network effects and habit”

The thing with Zelensky’s propaganda is that externally (with people familiar with the situation only from CNN (or whever you get your information from…)) it works an order of magnitude better than internally… :)

So “idiots” use Telegram because not only they see no threat in it (why would they?), but also because it helps to avoid the very real threat of “lawful mobilization actions” by the government.

Imagine entire country using coms software operated by the enemy.

Do I get it right that you know that

• Pavel Durov (the creator of Telegram) has left Russia after refusing to give government information on Ukrainians during 2014 protests (from his previous project - VK, also used by both people in Russia and Ukraine)
• Russian government’s most extensive blocking campaign/attempt was targeted at Telegram
• Telegram’s headquarters are in UAE

and still somehow make a conclusion that “it is operated by the enemy” (assuming that by enemy you mean Russian government)? I’d like to learn more about this logic :)

but the government is worried that the app is being used as a method of disinformation

Yeah, disinformation…

People just share too many videos of brutal kidnappings and beating of people in broad daylight lawful mobilization actions by conscription officers there.

And what’s even worse, people warn each other about the places where such lawful mobilization actions are taking place today, so that others can avoid them.

Unthinkable, right?

I don’t hate blockchain, but I can see why other people might.

Blockchain’s more or less only use is in cryptocurrencies (yes there are theoretically other usages, but let’s be honest it’s a drop in the ocean). The #1 cryptocurrency can do about 10TPS (please don’t even mention all the broken L2s), the #2 is “just about to revolutionize the world with smart contracts” for almost ten years already (so far the most revolutionary thing is monkey jpegs), then there are a few stable coins which aren’t even really a cryptocurrency at all, and thousands of literally memecoins.

Real cryptocurrency (XMR and maybe BCH) can and is used as currency (I pay for lots of legal stuff like VPN/VPSs/domains with XMR), but not many people are interested in that I guess.

Pointing out their hypocrisy will not help anybody.

I choose to, perhaps naively, think that some people might actually recognize how absurd this is, and hopefully change their opinion :)

The best you can do is sit down and watch this comedy from the sidelines.

Just “watching comedy from the sidelines” can result in one day waking up in a totalitarian hell :/
(Not that my shitposting will change much of course :/)

Yeah, so just as I said - good guys banning social medias is good because they are the good guys protecting the democracy against bad people and so on, and bad guys banning social medias is bad because they are the bad guys censoring the truth from oppressed people or something.

No hypocrisy here :)

Let me guess, you think Russia/China/etc. banning websites is bad (because obviously they are doing it due to being authoriatarian regimes and to not let people learn the truth), and EU (or generally any western country) banning websites is good (because obviously it would be done to protect democracy and people from consuming dangerous misinformation)?
Did I miss anything? :)