Is it just me or is the answer to most of these recent videos simply ‘you’d die’?

I am angry that this outcome makes me happy.

How do you win an award from editing Wikipedia?

But that won’t fuel the internet discourse™!

So you’re saying the emails are dated incorrectly or fake?

No? What does that even mean? How are those things comparable?

Are you even trying to explain these events?

but you do have to explain how /pol was started on 4chan a day before m00t met Epstein

I don’t have to, because that’s a whole other story that I didn’t dispute. In fact, perhaps you should explain why you would logically connect these two events in the first place. If Epstein caused/convinced moot to create the board, wouldn’t have these two events happened in the opposite order? What do you think was the actual sequence of events?

more promoted, and took it under his belt

It should be admitted that this is only conjecture for now.

So you can’t make the case that 4chan wasn’t influential.

That’s ok, because I never even suggested I’d make it. In fact, 4chan may have been the most culturally and politically influential website relative to the size of its userbase.

As for what I am dead certain happened: 4chan had a large proportion of racist and fascist users before 2011. These mainly congregated on the board /n/ (“News”). Due to the board becoming a hotbed of racism, moot deleted it. The users were pissed off. A few months later, /pol/ was created as a replacement to contain the racist users (one of the rules on 4chan said that racism outside of /pol/ is forbidden; from personal experience I can say this wasn’t enforced too strictly, but it reflects the original intenet). At that time moot met with Epstein. Later on, the fascist board culture was in harmony with the discourse espoused by Trump, and was likely one of the key origin points for pro-Trump cultural discourse. In 2017, the persona “Qanon” started to post on /pol/, and then migrated to 8chan where many Trump supporters followed. According to Frederick Brennan, the founder of 8chan (and recently deceased), the person behind Qanon was Jim Watkins, who had taken over 8chan from Brennan, although I don’t know how solid the evidence for that is, there have been other theories. Also bunch of other stuff happened on 4chan and 8chan, Gamergate, moot retiring, the takedown of 8chan after the Christchurch massacre and subsequent decline of Qanon…

It’s difficult to connect this all into a neat unified story. Slapping an “it was Epstein” does not actually make sense of most of it. Even if the Epstein-moot meeting wasn’t accidental or inconsequential, what could’ve actually happened, what would’ve been Epstein’s involvement, why do we have no further evidence of it in the emails, and how was it different from the existing fascist board just keeping up being fascist?

All I’ve read from/about this guy makes him sound like an anime villain.

Have you read the relevant emails yourself, and do you at least vaguely remember their content?

Anyway, the contacts between Poole and Epstein have been covered in media quite a lot and I’ve read articles about it, as well as checked some of the documents myself. None of what I’ve previously read and what shows up on google now supports the claim that “4chan was Epstein’s creation”. Epstein met with Poole in 2011, that’s the currently widely confirmed information, and I hope I don’t have to write an essay explaining why that’s not proof that “4chan was Epstein’s creation”.

Can you point me to something more specific than a bunch of disjointed and duplicate emails? The database is really difficult to navigate.

4chan was also an Epstein creation.

These claims of 4chan-Epstein connections are becoming more and more ridiculous. No, 4chan was not an Epstein creation.

Funny how I never see this statement posted on /c/memes@lemmy.ml

Better chances to vote it away than shitpost it away, as far as Lemmy’s options go.

The emails also revealed the rich pedophiles manipulated quanon to their advantage

They don’t reveal that.

Every word he writes is important.

Do you see my comment? That means you haven’t followed Tyler’s wise advice. You should try it again!

Is this loss?

People claim it was blown out of proportion (with inflated numbers) or that it was presented selectively (without mentioning Bosniak and Croatian atrocities). This is a relatively frequent idea among American leftists, at least the more radical circles which are common on Lemmy.

Similar to Ukraine, tbh. Basically, nothing has to be “clear and obvious” if you don’t want it to be.

Keep in mind you’re on a site where a solid number of users might downplay or relativise Srebrenica.

Khan made lots of kids tho. This one did it just for the love of the game.