Eh. Trump was able to make a very specific and tangible case to his voters for how he was going to directly improve their lives. Kamala was completely unwilling to do that. That’s why she lost.

Trump’s plan was evil, but it was clear and direct. His message was “I will deport a bunch of immigrants and slap up tariffs. This will make it easier for you to get a job and buy a home.” It’s a cynical, evil, and short-sighted plan, but it was actually a plan to directly improve the living standards of working class Americans.

What was Kamala’s equivalent? Nothing. She had some vague language about a tax credit that would just inflate the housing bubble higher, and she took the usual idiot liberal approach of attaching dozens of strings that made it so only select marginalized people would qualify for it. Kamala offered nothing. People were hurting, and she offered them nothing. She didn’t lose because of Gaza, no matter what Republican trolls on Lemmy like to say. She lost because she was unable to make a clear and specific case about how she was going to help the people that voted for her. Her only real core message was the defense of democracy, but it turns out that people see little reason to support a democracy that will do nothing to actually advance their interests.

Most conservatives worship Satan. They’re literally devil-worshipers. If your religion leads you to hate, you are not worshiping a benevolent god, you’re worshiping the Devil. Charlie Kirk was a devil worshiper and he’s now joined his master, where he will burn in the fires of Hell for all the misery he brought down upon his innocent victims. All billionaires go to Hell. Most Republicans go to Hell. Any “Christian” that preaches hate is bound for the the Pit.

And yet we are the only conscious beings on any of these heavenly bodies that are aware enough to give their existence any meaning at all.

The toxicity is the weird incel framing around the whole thing. It leans heavily into incel tropes about how women sleep around with physically attractive asshole men when younger and then look for a more stable “nice guy” men when older. The trope is that women will reproduce with asshole gym bro types and then seek relationships with nerds to obtain resources to raise the children they’ve given birth to. It’s the classic cuckhold meme.

The “backup option” part is the toxic thing. It frames women as farm animals looking for a mate, rather than actual complex human beings with different desires and changing personalities through their whole lives. Aka, just like men. People change, and they want different things at different points in their life.

It’s not that the woman in the story fucked a bunch of guys and then, as a last resort, settled for OP. I mean, just think of how absurd that idea is. It is literally not possible to run out of people to sleep with. They don’t think OP is beneath them and have always felt that way, only settling for them now. Why would she need to? There’s no shortage of other men out there if she thinks OP is beneath her.

Rather, people just want different things at different points in their lives. OP didn’t tick that box years earlier, but now maybe he does. She wasn’t attracted to him then, but she is now. The heart just works that way sometimes. There’s no need to add a bunch of incel bullshit to what is easily explainable as the complexities of human emotion.

The reason this is so toxic is that it’s applying this weird bizarre manipulative behavior to the woman in the story - aka parroting incel themes. It accuses her of this deliberate years-long plot, working through a long list of men she finds superior until finally settling for OP. This isn’t how human beings actually behave. Instead, she just happened to not be attracted to OP before, but happens to be now. You don’t need to go into it any deeper than that. People are complex and their hearts change.

This “backup option” framing is just really toxic and creepy.

This is some really disgusting co-option of LGBT identities to justify incel logic. Being gay is an intrinsic thing about someone. Judging someone for their number of past partners isn’t. One is innate, the other is cultural. You can instantly tell if you have an attraction to someone just by looking at them. A gay man looking at another man will instantly feel attraction if he’s his type. But number of partners? That’s something you can only learn by talking to someone. And there’s nothing innate about a person with more partners that makes them physically less attractive. Unless they have an STD, their body isn’t changed in any way.

People aren’t born with judgmental incel beliefs about the number of sexual partners other people have. Those are cultural practices, not innate aspects of a person’s physical being, like being gay or trans is. We have no evidence of such judgments existing among wild animals, while we have numerous examples of same-sex attraction in nature.

We should pass a law making it legal that whenever someone deflects an argument with a non-sequitur appeal to “free speech” that they be hauled up on top of a giant pyramid and have their beating heart ripped out with an obsidian knife, their life a sacrifice to the great Sun god.

If you have any objections to my batshit insane proposal, you hate free speech and are a traitor to America… and Huītzilōpōchtli.

Charlie Kirk is currently burning in the 7th Circle of Hell. Despite his claims to be a Christian, he actually practiced devil worship. Like all those who worship hate, he actually worshiped Satan rather than God. If your religion leads you to hate, you’re not following any teaching of Christ. You’re worshiping the Devil.

Satan has now claimed his own. For his sins and crimes against humanity, for all of his victims, if there is a Hell, Charlie is burning there right now. That is the fate of every Nazi and every billionaire.

As a reminder, we hanged people like Charlie Kirk at Nuremberg on charges of incitement to genocide and crimes against humanity. “Just asking questions” about the extermination of entire groups of people IS a crime against humanity. If Kirk had been alive in the 1930s, he would have been challenging people to debate him about “the Jewish question.”

Fucking clankers.

Yeah, go ahead and name call. That really helped you win last time.

If I’m a tankie, you’re a quisling.

The thing I’ve been repeating? We literally hanged people exactly like Charlie Kirk for crimes against humanity at Nuremberg. If Kirk were alive in 1930s Germany, he would have been challenging people to debate him about “the Jewish question.”

Nominating a candidate you know can’t win is voting for the opposition candidate.

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Take some responsibility. The “we’re an iota better than Trump” strategy lost miserably in 2016, 2024, and would have lost in 2020 if not for covid. And here you are, still spreading blood libel about leftists. Leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for the shitty lesser evil candidate, just like they do every fucking time. But it didn’t matter at all, because nonaffiliated and more casual voters don’t show up unless they have someone to vote FOR not someone to vote AGAINST. Not enough ordinary people, not the people hanging out on lemmy politics subs, but just normal working people, were convinced that Kamala would make any meaningful improvement in their lives. Meanwhile, Trump was making an immoral, but very clear and direct case of “I will raise your wages and lower housing costs by deporting millions of immigrants.” Trump made a direct case for how he was going to improve the lives of some portion of the population. Kamala didn’t. And that’s why she lost.

And no, screaming about democracy doesn’t work. It’s a piss poor election strategy. The vast majority of the population doesn’t feel that we actually live in an effective democracy anyway. People don’t feel the need to protect a system that isn’t serving their interests.

Exactly. These people are exhausting. Like, have they not seen the current popularity figures of the Democrats? Their popularity is in the shitter because they STILL have no platform beyond “we’re not Trump.” And yet, this thread is still full of centrist muppets blindly parroting, “well, at least they’re better than Trump.” No shit. And that’s why leftists almost universally did vote for Kamala. But then these smug assholes, equipped with a hose running directly from their anus to their nostrils, have the gall to come in here and parrot the same tired rhetoric that caused Kamala to lose in 2024, Hillary to lose in 2016, and would have caused Biden to lose in 2020 if not for Covid.

Just seriously. These dense motherfuckers. When will they realize that being simply better than the Republican isn’t enough to actually win elections. It’s enough to get the left to reluctantly vote for the candidate, but it won’t actually drive out enough ordinary non-politically obsessed people to win an election. People need something to vote FOR. Not something merely to vote AGAINST.

Frankly, at this point, I assume anyone still bitching about leftists not voting for Harris is just a Republican. Non-affiliated and casual voters cost Kamala the election. The leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for Harris. But these Republicans like to foment division on the left, so they try to continually keep the narrative alive that Democrats just need to be a tiny iota better than Republicans, even though that strategy results in a Republican being elected again and again.

Look to the outcomes to understand motives. If following someone’s message results in Republicans winning again and again, odds are good that they’re simply a Republican.

You’re holding up a giant sign that says,

“Surely those people willing to sacrifice another group’s very existence will fight to stand up for MY civil rights!”

This is just the left version of Leopards Eating Faces. No one who supports a genocide will lift a finger to protect your civil rights when they are threatened. The only people they care about are themselves. You are not one of the people that someone like Kamala or Biden consider worthy of respect or even consideration. You are beneath them just like the Gazans. If you support a genocide, you clearly view people as expendable and worthy of giving away at the political bargaining table.

You learned nothing from the “first they came for…” poem.

Found the Republican. Republicans never miss a chance to try and stir up shit among the left.

We need a left wing debate bro to go to college campuses and pitch a table saying, “Charlie Kirk deserved to die, prove me wrong.”

If the shooter turns themselves in, do they get the money? OwO

Watching the media cow tow to white nationalism has been a really dark moment the last few days. The context everyone needs to know about Kirk is that we literally executed people like him at Nuremberg for doing the exact same type of thing he did. Except back then the debate bros were holding vigorous discussions about “the Jewish question.”

Imagine the world where this actually was a meme shot gone wrong. Maybe Kirk went a little nuts and decided to try to duplicate Trump’s miracle near miss. The ultimate way to build credit among the right wing. Kirk hires a sharpshooter to give him a near miss, to just graze him with a bullet. And…well…the sharpshooter missed…

Now, I don’t find this scenario particularly likely, as I don’t think any of these right wing social media goobers are brave enough to actually put their person in such direct risk like that. And you have to be pretty fucking dense to hire someone to shoot a gun in your direction. But it is fun to imagine that wonderfully absurd scenario.