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  • Sure you can always infinitely define what is behind but I don’t think it is relevant here or you couldn’t do any moral logic.

    The two axioms I assumed are A1 a proven fact and A2 the very defintion of having something to hide. It is enough for this specific problem.

    I don’t see how Gödel’s theorems are useful since they say that a given system of actions is either incomplete or inconsistent. With these two axioms it’s hardly inconsistent and we don’t care about it being incomplete since we only have one theorem to prove


  • You’re welcome :) to be honest it’s my first for this as well 😂, but I do have experience with math.

    The one thing that ticked me with your proof, was about your phrasing. You were trying to prove !(p=>q) i.e. p^!q by a counter example, but your wrote “suppose we have p^!q”, which is already the thesis of the proof. So what you wrote is essentially “We will proof A is false. Suppose !A, then !A.” which is not proving !A. What you should have done is to remove the “suppose” part and say if p=>q then if I nothing to hide I should not be concerned, but I can have nothing to hide and be concerned, which is a contradiction. Then your proof would be somewhat correct but my last two arguments still hold. The issue could be solved woth some modals or quantifiers to express the different people.


  • I do agree with you point and opinion, but that “logical proof” is one of the worst I’ve read.

    The “Nothing to Hide” argument could be restated that way:

    Axioms: A1: Surveillance reveals hidden things A2: If I have something to hide, I would be concerned if it’s revealed

    Propositions p: I have something to hide q: I should be concerned about surveillance

    We deduce from the axioms that p => q : “if I have something to hide I must be concerned about surveillance”.

    The logical fallacy of the nothing to hide is to deduce !p => !q : “If I have nothing to hide I should not fear surveillance”. Which is a case of Denying the antecedent fallacy.

    Another fallacy of the argument is that they suppose !p is true, which is a debunked fact.

    What was wrong with your proof was that you used another human to disprove a fact about the first one. The I may not be switchable because the other human may not have the same axioms. Moreover, you statement was about “should” but if someone doesn’t do something they only should do, it’s not a contradiction