Psylo, which bills itself as a new kind of private web browser, debuted last Tuesday in Apple’s App Store, one day ahead of a report warning about the widespread use of browser fingerprinting for ad tracking and targeting.
It was a fortuitous coincidence.
Psylo for iOS and iPadOS was created by Mysk, a Canada-based app biz run by software developers and security researchers Talal Haj Bakry and Tommy Mysk.
“Psylo stands out as it is the only WebKit-based iOS browser that truly isolates tabs,” Tommy Mysk told The Register. "It’s not only about separate storage and cookies. Psylo goes beyond that.
“This is why we call tabs ‘silos.’ It applies unique anti-fingerprinting measures per silo, such as canvas randomization. This way two Psylo tabs opening the same website would appear as though they originated on two different devices to the opened website.”
It pretty much just sandboxes google play services. You still need to use it for many things and you can see it’s deeply integrated in many places.
My main point is
is incorrect as a general statement about Android. I used GrapheneOS as an example but there are plenty of other Android ROMs that also don’t come with Google Play Services or any Google at all.
https://lemmy.super.ynh.fr/comment/363277
Obtainium. Aurora Store. Accrescent. Sideloading.
You still lose access to notifications, and some apps straight up don’t work (those using Play integrity, but not only)
To be fair i’ve not tried fucking up with this too much but I know it’s implemented in a lot of apps
We could tell.
Sorry, but what you are dismissing as “They only… You still… You lose…” is very ignorant.
What the GrapheneOS team has achieved is technically impressive, sandboxing Google Play is something no other project has done yet, and now with Private Spaces you can essentially split your profile in two and decide which apps you want Google Play to run through, and which you don’t.
I put all the privacy intrusive apps in the private Space and installed Google services there, and I only open that space about once a week to keep in touch with some friends. The rest of the week I’m enjoying a fully degoogled phone using only FOSS apps and a bank that doesn’t require Google services to be installed.
The team deserves all the praise they get for building the most secure (and ironically, private) OS in the market right now, even with Google being so antagonistic to them. The phone is fully functional and we’re definitely not living 10 years in the past.
You should give it a proper try and form a facts-based opinion, or stop talking about it altogether.
Private spaces aren’t perfect, can’t run two version of a same app on different profiles
Sure but it’s not nearly enough for me
Not my experience with it
That’s what I did and I hated it. So many small problems, things that took time:
I probably forgot a lot. And yes, many problems are not specific to graphene but to custom ROM but that was my experience with it
Also, I must stress that it was also my first experience with Android. Always have been an iOS user. I switched back.
So yea, while having sandboxed is good, it’s still phoning home all the time
Hold on, you think GrapheneOS isn’t perfectly private (and you’d be right, it isn’t, and their main focus is security anyway) but you think iPhones are better?
Why, because Apple told you it is? Because they have some gimmicks that sound good on paper but don’t actually protect your data in any real way?
Okay dude. Reach out to me whenever cus i got a bridge to sell you.
Also, everything you said is incorrect, and so is your conclusion. But I don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye on this so why bother.
I’ll check the video, thanks for sharing
I think Graphene without play services is a lot better than iPhones, and with play services, it’s worse
Because play services are deeply integrated into many apps, and Google is known for not E2EE anything and being an advertising company. They have an enormous interest in gathering as much data as possible for commercial purposes, while Apple likely only have a statistical interest for their business decisions
A lot of what apple offers is wind and I’m aware of it, but having even a small thing is better than giving out your data to the monster that is Google.
If you manage to sell me Android then congrats, because I fucking hate Apple but hate Android even more because of Google
Do you believe a Samsung phone (or any authorized ROM with relatively good price/performance ratio) running with their provided OS for example would be better than an iPhone?
False.Graphene does not have Gservices installed by default
Did I say it did? Maybe I worded it wrong but I meant that you need to use (and install it) to use the vast majority of apps, and it’s deeply integrated, in the play store and apps… and affects many parts of android
If you do install it, which you probably will unless you’re okay with living 10 years in the past and losing time, then you’re pretty much back to square one
Non-sandboxed play services have vastly more permissions and access to device information; it’s a step back from not having it, but utterly disengenuous to call it back to square one. It has far more privileged permission, and as you admit yourself, we don’t know what is in its code, so we don’t know what it is potentially doing with that permission.
yea I guess, I meant it goes from spyware to really intrusive
I’m typing this via GrapheneOS and I don’t at all feel like I’m living 10 years in the past lol.
Even if I was, at least the internet would be a less shitty place than it is now, there would be almost no LLM/AI crap, I wouldn’t constantly have to be as vigilant against big corps datamining my privacy as much as I am now… Actually, 2015 was a pretty decent time compared to now. Got a time machine?
and you don’t have play services installed?
oh so you’re one of them