When this happens I like to ask them what media they do trust. What source could I find to show you what reality is, that you would then believe the source?
I’ve never once had someone give a straight answer to the question. I literally showed someone an article from TASS saying what I was trying to claim, and all they said was “lol you know you’re citing TASS, that means I win” more or less. Reading articles and critiquing sources to find reliable ones, trying to form a picture of reality, just isn’t how they operate.
Yeah, I really just try to disengage with campists these days. Honestly authoritarian leftists are soooo few where I am from, they aren’t even worth really giving consideration to the problems I am facing. They are only a thing in online spaces like Lemmy. They are all “LOL, brainwashed imperialist. You cited an academic paper? It’s not from Zhengzhou? Ha, it’s just imperialist lies. I don’t have to engage with the data on any real, academic level, because LOL not from China!” The best is when someone asks them WTF they are supposed to do when they shit on all efforts for change, and they imply you are complicit because you have yet to instigate revolutionary violence, when they have never been in a fight, let alone fucking killed someone.
The small, actual, leftist movement here tends to run anti-authority, I am far more concerned with them. It is fun to talk shit though.
I feel like the Jacob Geller thing is accurate. They just don’t operate along the lines of reading things and being an independent person and making up their mind. Their whole thing is just figuring who to have allegiance to, and then fighting hard for that team. That’s why they keep thinking that anyone not on Russia’s side must automatically be on the State Department’s team and believe everything they say. It’s just confusing that someone might be an independent person that’s not on either one of those teams.
When this happens I like to ask them what media they do trust. What source could I find to show you what reality is, that you would then believe the source?
I’ve never once had someone give a straight answer to the question. I literally showed someone an article from TASS saying what I was trying to claim, and all they said was “lol you know you’re citing TASS, that means I win” more or less. Reading articles and critiquing sources to find reliable ones, trying to form a picture of reality, just isn’t how they operate.
Yeah, I really just try to disengage with campists these days. Honestly authoritarian leftists are soooo few where I am from, they aren’t even worth really giving consideration to the problems I am facing. They are only a thing in online spaces like Lemmy. They are all “LOL, brainwashed imperialist. You cited an academic paper? It’s not from Zhengzhou? Ha, it’s just imperialist lies. I don’t have to engage with the data on any real, academic level, because LOL not from China!” The best is when someone asks them WTF they are supposed to do when they shit on all efforts for change, and they imply you are complicit because you have yet to instigate revolutionary violence, when they have never been in a fight, let alone fucking killed someone.
The small, actual, leftist movement here tends to run anti-authority, I am far more concerned with them. It is fun to talk shit though.
They’re too afraid to prove themselves to be stupid.
I feel like the Jacob Geller thing is accurate. They just don’t operate along the lines of reading things and being an independent person and making up their mind. Their whole thing is just figuring who to have allegiance to, and then fighting hard for that team. That’s why they keep thinking that anyone not on Russia’s side must automatically be on the State Department’s team and believe everything they say. It’s just confusing that someone might be an independent person that’s not on either one of those teams.
Which Jacob Geller thing are you referencing? I love a good beardy boy video essay.
Mindbleach was quoting him elsewhere in the comments.