• EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
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    7 hours ago

    you think the democrats are better because you only care when you are on the receiving end of what your country does to the global south countries every decade since after WW2. You literally do not care about people outside your own country as you don’t consider them humans and would gladly have them die for your own comfort and treats.

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      7 hours ago

      Did it feel good to attack that strawman you made up? Let me know when you’re ready for an actual discussion.

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        3 hours ago

        Youre depicting Democrats as angels despite all the horrible shit they do. So it is completely reasonable to conclude what they concluded about your position. Thats not what a strawman is, a strawman isn’t just “when you adress the logical conclusions to the other persons statement”.
        If youre going to make an attempt at pseudo-intellectual dismissals of other people, at least learn how the fallacy you’re referring to functions.

        You dont care about people outside of the US. You are a nationalist. Your only fear with regards to politics is experiencing the pain your regime brings upon other countries every day. All of these statements are reasonable assertions based on what you had written so far.

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          1 hour ago

          My meme doesn’t specify the angel box is democrats. The point is that people who assume voting does not matter are contributing to the worse outcome happening, which is true. I do have the personal belief that democrats are meaningfully better than republicans on domestic and foreign policy, but no, I do not think they are angels. I think my responses have made that clear and so taking the meme literally over the opinions I have explicitly expressed and argued for is incorrect.

          And yes, their argument is a strawman. They wanted to feel good about disagreeing with someone who unpersons foreigners and does not care about people outside of their country, so they decided that’s who I was. This completely ignores very reasonable explanations such as “it’s possible to care about more than one thing at once”. The point of calling their argument a strawman is to express that no, they are not describing my position accurately.

          And neither are you. I care about people outside the US. Would it be valid to say you don’t care about people inside the US because you are telling us not to improve our domestic policies? I support the ICC and other extranational oversight measures. Obviously I care about the wellbeing of the US a lot (I live here) but my decisions don’t fail to take the health of other nations into account, so no, I am not a nationalist. Claiming things like “you don’t consider [people outside your own country] humans” is patently ridiculous (honestly it’s straight up libel) when I have not expressed those views. It’s a strawman because they are responding not to what was said, but to what they falsely imagine my beliefs to be.

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          7 hours ago

          Surely you can think of a better way to affect meaningful change than sitting in a basement accusing random people online of being fascists. You do realize this is detrimental to your cause?

          Then again, maybe you don’t… yeah, probably not. What a waste.

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            2 hours ago

            Youre also doing the same, dumbass. You dont think you could be more effective if you went outside instead of sitting here arguing with people who quote clearly will not vote democrat?

            Probably not, your people skills suck as does your communication. You’d probably just alienate potential voters.

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              2 hours ago

              The person I’m arguing against doesn’t live in the US. I’m arguing that they should stop telling us to make our lives worse by not voting. The viable options are harm reduction (vote democrat) or systemic reform (vote third party). Not voting is never the correct choice.

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            7 hours ago

            You do realize this is detrimental to your cause?

            What cause? Like getting people who are legitimizing a system that enables, defends and protects genocide into communism?

            Then again, maybe you don’t… yeah, probably not. What a waste.

            smuglord