You’re exactly right! Blaming this all on putin is silly. Everyone with a bit of history knowledge knows that Russia’s always been an imperialist country. Before the invasion of Ukraine there was the annexation of Crimea. Before that it was Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya, all the neocolonialism in Africa. Before that…well…you don’t become the largest country in the world by sitting on your ass… they’ve been doing this constantly since the 16th century or so.
Yeah… “Read the communist literature” is like their mantra but it must be like the bible for most Christians because it’s really not reflected in their actions.
I see this claim against Marxist-Leninists frequently, but never anything backing it up. First of all, Marxists don’t read theorists like evangelicals read the Bible. We see theory as a guide to adapt to our own conditions, not gospel to worship. Lenin saying Russia needs a newspaper for agitating among the masses does not mean we need literal physical newspapers today (sorry Trots).
I think the broader phenomena is that the Marx non-Marxists know is not the same as the Marxism actually studied and practiced. There is a “liberal Marx,” one that people maybe associate with revolutionary socialism, but not one people care to understand the anti-imperialist and anti-colonial aspects of Marxism that were expanded by Lenin.
I mean, those are all countries from which they have stolen land in the last 30 years. Add to that the proven interference in Moldavian, Romanian, American and French politics and probably others that I don’t know about. Kazahstan, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Japan have land disputes with them… yes, discount all of that by calling me a racist. xD
Are you simple-minded? Do you struggle to read? Which of these is the correct answer to the question of “how can you manage to think I said Russia does not interfere in elections?”
I think you are a run-of-the-mill western chauvinist, inundated by the racist propaganda that floats around on mainstream media. I think this because of your childish, simplistic reasoning for the actions of Russia and your sad attempt at a historical analysis with a conclusion so reductive it would make Franz Halder ask you to take the russians more seriously.
One could literally do the same spiel you did for every colonial power. Yet I somehow doubt that you’d make pseudo-intellectual musings about France based on the nations long and proud colonial history or its current-day imperial actions in Mali or control over the financial policy of a dozen foreign nations. For some reason I doubt that you’d reduce the United States bloody history in South America to “Trump bad” or “the American genetics are just made to be evil, just look at their history!”
Somehow I have a feeling you’d cry about nuance if one were to imply that all dastardly things done by the brits are due to their current leader or some inherent quality (and if you dont believe me, just look at their history! They love war! They even sent Boris Johnson to Ukraine to have him talk them out of a peace treaty!)
If these were the countries being discussed, then I have a feeling you wouldnt be so bold with generalising statements based on a lacking historical “analysis”.
The racism is not you pointing to something Russia did. The racism is you acting as if the thing happening is uniquely and inherently Russian
Right, so do the exact same spiel for all the other powers and I’ll agree with you. Because yes, they’re all doing it. But that includes your precious russia and china. I’m sorry…Never said russia’s the only bad guy out there…And most people around here will also agree…but when it comes to russia and china there’s suddenly a bunch of “but what about!” And “LUL libtard!”…
Do you seriously not see the hypocrisy? But yeah, go on, keep insulting me while explaining the continuous imperialistic aggression. Everyone’s hysterical except russia. They’re bombing for freedom, they’re special…NATO made them!!!
I’m the chauvinist for hating all imperialists whereas you only hate the western variety. Maybe read the definition of the words your using before going out and using them against people.
Its still 50/50 which of the two options it is. This response really did nothing to clear it up. Due to the lack of spelling errors, and the fact you completely failed to engage with my argue, I’m going to pick simple-minded. I even took the time to give you a neat little summation at the end, and you still fucked up.
Then again you continue to argue against statements I haven’t made, so thats a count for “can’t read.”
Maybe ask a trusted adult or a chatbot for help with parsing the text so you can actually respond to what I’m saying instead of whatever this is.
I literally said in my original comment that blaming it all on putin is silly and have made no comments about race. So yeah, nothing more for me to respond to. You continue to insult without actually saying anything of substance. You’re literally just going like “NO U!!” and pretending like you’re having and argument and winning. Classic ;)
Are you the personification of “every accusation is a confession” or what? Seriously, insisting you’re right and just throwing insults without any actual arguments does not make you right. The only thing you can argue is that in my first comment I said “russia has always been imperialist”. That can be taken as racist if you ignore the fact that it’s obviously talking about the culture and not the race and also the fact that a country is not a race… and also if it weren’t true.
You’re exactly right! Blaming this all on putin is silly. Everyone with a bit of history knowledge knows that Russia’s always been an imperialist country. Before the invasion of Ukraine there was the annexation of Crimea. Before that it was Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya, all the neocolonialism in Africa. Before that…well…you don’t become the largest country in the world by sitting on your ass… they’ve been doing this constantly since the 16th century or so.
The two forms of liberal analysis. If it’s not Great Man Theory, then it’s declaring a whole people to be inherently evil.
It’s really not that simple either but ok. Whatever man. Country bad
Russia’s been invading countries with Europe for centuries, but somehow now when they do it, it’s actually good.
Russia’s scramble for Africa was good because Marx said so, just don’t look into Marx’s actual writings.
Russia famously the only (and the biggest) participant in the scramble for Africa.
Yeah… “Read the communist literature” is like their mantra but it must be like the bible for most Christians because it’s really not reflected in their actions.
I see this claim against Marxist-Leninists frequently, but never anything backing it up. First of all, Marxists don’t read theorists like evangelicals read the Bible. We see theory as a guide to adapt to our own conditions, not gospel to worship. Lenin saying Russia needs a newspaper for agitating among the masses does not mean we need literal physical newspapers today (sorry Trots).
I think the broader phenomena is that the Marx non-Marxists know is not the same as the Marxism actually studied and practiced. There is a “liberal Marx,” one that people maybe associate with revolutionary socialism, but not one people care to understand the anti-imperialist and anti-colonial aspects of Marxism that were expanded by Lenin.
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I mean, those are all countries from which they have stolen land in the last 30 years. Add to that the proven interference in Moldavian, Romanian, American and French politics and probably others that I don’t know about. Kazahstan, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Japan have land disputes with them… yes, discount all of that by calling me a racist. xD
Are you simple-minded? Do you struggle to read? Which of these is the correct answer to the question of “how can you manage to think I said Russia does not interfere in elections?”
I think you are a run-of-the-mill western chauvinist, inundated by the racist propaganda that floats around on mainstream media. I think this because of your childish, simplistic reasoning for the actions of Russia and your sad attempt at a historical analysis with a conclusion so reductive it would make Franz Halder ask you to take the russians more seriously.
One could literally do the same spiel you did for every colonial power. Yet I somehow doubt that you’d make pseudo-intellectual musings about France based on the nations long and proud colonial history or its current-day imperial actions in Mali or control over the financial policy of a dozen foreign nations. For some reason I doubt that you’d reduce the United States bloody history in South America to “Trump bad” or “the American genetics are just made to be evil, just look at their history!”
Somehow I have a feeling you’d cry about nuance if one were to imply that all dastardly things done by the brits are due to their current leader or some inherent quality (and if you dont believe me, just look at their history! They love war! They even sent Boris Johnson to Ukraine to have him talk them out of a peace treaty!)
If these were the countries being discussed, then I have a feeling you wouldnt be so bold with generalising statements based on a lacking historical “analysis”.
The racism is not you pointing to something Russia did. The racism is you acting as if the thing happening is uniquely and inherently Russian
Right, so do the exact same spiel for all the other powers and I’ll agree with you. Because yes, they’re all doing it. But that includes your precious russia and china. I’m sorry…Never said russia’s the only bad guy out there…And most people around here will also agree…but when it comes to russia and china there’s suddenly a bunch of “but what about!” And “LUL libtard!”…
Do you seriously not see the hypocrisy? But yeah, go on, keep insulting me while explaining the continuous imperialistic aggression. Everyone’s hysterical except russia. They’re bombing for freedom, they’re special…NATO made them!!! I’m the chauvinist for hating all imperialists whereas you only hate the western variety. Maybe read the definition of the words your using before going out and using them against people.
Its still 50/50 which of the two options it is. This response really did nothing to clear it up. Due to the lack of spelling errors, and the fact you completely failed to engage with my argue, I’m going to pick simple-minded. I even took the time to give you a neat little summation at the end, and you still fucked up.
Then again you continue to argue against statements I haven’t made, so thats a count for “can’t read.”
Maybe ask a trusted adult or a chatbot for help with parsing the text so you can actually respond to what I’m saying instead of whatever this is.
I literally said in my original comment that blaming it all on putin is silly and have made no comments about race. So yeah, nothing more for me to respond to. You continue to insult without actually saying anything of substance. You’re literally just going like “NO U!!” and pretending like you’re having and argument and winning. Classic ;)
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Are you the personification of “every accusation is a confession” or what? Seriously, insisting you’re right and just throwing insults without any actual arguments does not make you right. The only thing you can argue is that in my first comment I said “russia has always been imperialist”. That can be taken as racist if you ignore the fact that it’s obviously talking about the culture and not the race and also the fact that a country is not a race… and also if it weren’t true.