• MonkRome@lemmy.world
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    The problem with some of these “safety” features is they malfunction at such a high rate they seem more likely to kill me than save my life. They also don’t anticipate future consequence in any way.

    The collision detection malfunctions regularly giving a loud beep or applying breaks when nothing is ahead.

    The lane departure does not understand situations where you had someone wander into your lane and you may drive onto the shoulder quickly before signalling. I don’t need my car fighting me while im making the correct call. I also think having the car take over, even gently, is so startling that it could cause the accident it was meant to prevent. If I’m startled I might over correct and lose control. While that has never happened, with everything considered, it seems safer to leave some of these features off.

    I don’t need to be an early adopter on flawed technology that could get me killed.

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      I drove a rental that had collision detection in it. Three or four times, it suddenly slammed on the brakes for no discernable reason, and with no regard to how close/fast traffic behind me was moving. I had to pull off, download the manual, and figure out how to turn it off before the car killed me.

      One of the most important things in safely operating a vehicle is using gradual, predictable movements. My car braking without my input makes predictable movement impossible.

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      The lane departure does not understand situations where you had someone wander into your lane and you may drive onto the shoulder quickly before signalling

      This is one of the biggest things I hate about my parents car. You almost have to fight against the lane detection when when changing lanes, being in a merge lane, or more importantly when another car starts drifting into you lane. It’s great if you’re on a long haul but it’s detrimental because it’s conditioning you to not have to pay attention as much.

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    After my car suddenly slammed on the brakes for the third time on wide open highway while screaming warning beeps at me I went to the settings and disabled everything. I had enough “safety” thanks.

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      Semi truckers have been fighting this for years. And they’re not allowed to turn it off unless they own the truck. Most truckers work for someone else.

      The typical scenario, approaching an overpass in broad daylight, the sensor sees the shadow on the road and freaks out, stomping the brakes.

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    This article is 2/3 fluff. The majority is about convenience features, not safety.

    That said, I recently moved from a ~15 year old car to a modern one, and have driven several newer models with the features described.

    Adaptive cruise: it‘s often poorly designed. It brakes far too rapidly and abruptly should traffic or a car ahead slow, and there‘s absolutely no reason to apply as much throttle as it does should it decide acceleration is appropriate. Also for uphill driving the cruise control often drops into far too low a gear in order to maintain speed. It‘s more of a nuisance than an aid, and it‘s even worse if traffic increases or you‘re in a lane with jackasses that can‘t maintain a steady speed. Adaptive cruise attracts idiots, too. The new versions will stay engaged and slow to a complete stop. If the driver has set the following distance to maximum the car will stop with a 4-5 car distance from the car ahead. They‘re treating it like some kind of autopilot that will run the car for them.

    Lanekeeping: there‘s a huge span of quality here. Some are shit, some are far too aggressive, some are “jerky” following a segmented plotted line rather than a smoother curve. They can overcorrect and really make for an unstable drive attempting to counter intentional driver input. Some “give up” and disengage with little warning, the audible alerts are often weak. Some briefly follow merge, exit, or widening lines for an additional lane pointing you off the road before they get confused and disengage with the car pointed in an unsafe direction.

    Auto braking: in my experience it has engaged every time when I was already braking, or engaged when there was no need to brake. The few times I thought it should have engaged, it didn’t. It’s a nuisance at best, ineffective at worst.

    Reverse cameras don’t provide a full picture and are awful in developing driver proprioception about the dimensions of their car. They’re fine for what’s immediately behind you, but use of mirrors and looking around is far better for backing out and looking for approaching people or cars. That said, I love the “360°” view ones. Those are great for centering oneself in a parking space.

    So I completely understand why drivers don’t use them. They’re often low-quality, inappropriate overcorrections for the situation, and make for a worse ride and potentially even detrimental to safety. That’s saying a lot considering the quality of a lot drivers on the road today.

    I run 80% of the time with adaptive cruise and lanekeeping off. I can’t disable the autobrake, if I could I would.

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    I had way more issues with phantom braking in the 3 months it was enabled than I’ve had with actually crashing in 20 years of driving.

    I want graded licences so people who have no crashes don’t get forcibly subjected to bad technology just because those that can’t drive need it.

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    I can’t back up my own driveway with “maneuvering assist” enabled or it slams on the brakes every time it gets close to a completely harmless fern on the passenger side. Every time it happens it’s so infuriating that I could actually scream. So it’s now off.

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    When I was in Australia last year I was overwhelmed by how much modern cars beep at you. The worst offender by far was a 2025 Kia Carnival that had different beeps for every possible thing the system might label a driving error.

    It was more distracting than helpful to be honest.

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    I turn off all that shit for one reason: too many electronic nannies mean less attention is required to drive. I rarely even use old cruise control.

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    So glad my 2019 car is a standard but still has CarPlay.

    Like, CarPlay is about the most “smart” feature I need/want. I just want a good map and the ability to play podcasts and listen to music easily. That’s it.

    Since it’s a standard the car couldn’t get any of the “smart” features I didn’t want anyway.

    I’ll drive the car, thanks.

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      This is me too with my 2020 Crosstrek. A little screen for the backup camera that also shows the navigation and Spotify from my phone. No lane monitoring or any of that stuff. And I do like deciding when I want to shift.

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    I know a couple people who one could describe as “twat” who turn off traction control and abs, thinking they are going to be rally drivers on the way to McDonalds. They tend to end up in the ditch.

    Subaru has been good. The lane warning was the only thing we turned off because it was just obnoxious. If something is beeping constantly and erratically, what’s the point? The lane centering had a tendency to pull towards semis when passing but that seems to have been fixed in an update. The only other thing that is more a quality of life is a way easily and preemptively to turn off the backup warning and breaking assist when pulling a trailer.

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    Whenever I get into a modern hire car the first thing I do after starting it is turn all the ‘safety’ features off. They either don’t work well, are annoying, or both. Sometimes they’re downright dangerous. It was a large part of the reason I chose to buy a slightly older vehicle when I needed to change my car. The later models all had the annoying stuff.

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      My car has micro wires in the front window, smaller than the ones in the back. Maybe it refers to this?

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        I feel like this is either talking about heated seats or a heated steering wheel and some AI couldn’t parse out the difference when they used it to summarize the results of the study.

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    I have a car from 2020 with most of the “modern” safety features. I have most of them off, but I do like the radar cruise control, makes long trips less stressful since it will adapt to traffic in front of me.

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    One interesting finding relates to driving modes. While almost all new cars have them, just 27.3 percent of respondents say they regularly use their vehicle’s driving mode. Those aged 25 to 34 were more likely to use them, at 38.3 percent.

    so what, all these people are always driving in reverse…??

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    The lane keeper fucks up and tries to drive on the shoulder, driver turns it off, research group acts surprised that it’s turned off

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      I had a few times where my lane assist thinks I’m turning when coming up on a left turn lane for some reason.

      I’m never turning that shit off though. I’ll deal with the random beeps and resistance if I get too close to the line or something.

      I remember reading a reddit thread a couple years ago where someone legitimately asked “what if there’s a bicyclist on the road?” I replied with the proper precautions to take when that happens, and the same dumbass replied with “but the beeps are annoying if I try to go over the line when lane assist is on!”

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        I was driving home from the dealership after buying my last car, and the second I felt the wheel jerk out of my hands to take a corner on the highway differently than I typically do (I still stay in the lane, ofc), that shit got turned off and will never be reenabled. One of the most dangerous things is the car doing something unexpected while someone is driving and they try to correct/overcorrect for it out of shock/surprise and cause a crash.

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          Yeah this happened to me too when I drove my ex’s car. Cars should not be jerking the wheel. The sensors are notoriously inaccurate at sunrise/sunset when the sun is glaring right in the sensors, and it causes glitches. Especially in wet conditions where the road is slippery and there’s reflected glare as well… almost spun out from that shit once when I tried to turn and the car said NOPE and jerked me back into the straight lane. This was with indicators, mind you.

          I also remember one time we were driving on the freeway and the car suddenly spotted an “invisible fake ghost pedestrian”, and SLAMMED on the brakes. Like screeching halt from 80kmph (50mph) in the middle of the busy road. Dunno how on earth we didn’t cause an accident; the people behind us were locked in or something.

          Never drove that car again, fuck that. My ex likes that unruly beast for some reason; though they also liked horse riding, which features vehicles that are similarly unpredictable and dangerous, so I suppose it makes sense. I’m ok with beeping, that’s fine and a sensible warning feature I can choose to ignore if it’s wrong. I’m not ok with the car wrenching control of the vehicle out of my hands

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          I was driving a rental car with that feature once and it recognized one of those big arrows on the ground (that show a lane is ending e.g.) as side lanes. It was on a fast street with multiple lanes, so I was going over 100 km/h and the car jerked the steering wheel towards the goddamn wall and out of the lane. IDK what would’ve happened if I didn’t react in time…

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        In our car, there’s three levels of lane assist.

        1. Hey, try to stay in the lines. If you start to veer, the steering wheel will do the smallest corrections and vibrate a lot.
        2. The car will actively help keep you in the middle of the lane. (I mostly turn this on if I’m swapping my prescription glasses for sunglasses, then it goes right off again).
        3. Same as #2, but if you put on a turn signal to change lanes the car auto changes when it’s clear. (If you put your signal on with all this off and a car is in your blind spot it freaks out with beeps and vibrations).

        I fucking hate #3. The only good part is it forces you to turn on the turn indicator. It both wants your hands on the wheel for the maneuver, but also will cancel the change if it feels any “driver correction”.

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        There are two roads mine is always trying to turn down on my way home from work. I keep meaning to go that route during a not busy time of day to see if it actually makes the turn if I don’t stop it or if it will just jog to the right a bit.

        There are a bunch of black squiggly lines on the road from repairs and it gets confused there.

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        I turn it on when I’m on the highway. In the city, our roads are way too fucked up for it to work.

        I also have an auto emergency brake, and that’s gone off when it doesn’t need to once or twice, but I’m not disabling that one. I’d rather get rear-ended than hit someone.

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        But if you indicate like your supposed to there are no beeps when crossing lines.

        These guys are idiots that complain about the end results of not knowing how to drive themselves.