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Many people seem to have this confused.
- The US blockade is on (as currently implemented) the Gulf of Oman, not the Strait of Hormuz.
- As far as I know, one tanker, Elpis, has transited the Strait, and then stopped – I have to assume was stopped, by somebody – a short way into the Gulf.
- Rich Starry has not yet passed the Gulf. It has not even reached the point where Elpis stopped, but it’s on track to do so pretty soon.
- Elpis departed an Iranian port. This directly defies the stated US blockade.
- Rich Starry departed the UAE, which does not actually violate the stated US blockade (which explicitly allows ships transiting “to and from non-Iranian ports”).
- Rich Starry is under US sanctions due to previously being determined as aiding Iran. It is also Chinese-owned. Unclear how these factors will play into things.
So in summary Rich Starry hasn’t passed the US blockade yet, and even if it does that says nothing about the effectiveness of the blockade, because by the blockade’s wording it should be allowed through anyway.
Source https://xcancel.com/DropSiteNews/status/2043921010311741860, CENTCOM, and AIS data.
Edit 10:30 UTC: https://www.marinetraffic.com/ shows no AIS updates from Starry in the last 2 hours, seems like it stopped sending data in a similar area to Elpis. AIS didn’t actually show the ship coming to a stop, just a lack of updates. The last update had it keeping course at a relatively fast 8.1 knots. I read that there may be GPS jamming and other stuff going on in the area, so not sure what this really means.
Edit 2 12:00 UTC: nope, they are outttta there. I’m guessing they’re not going to China today.
Aren’t they also (supposed to) block only Iranian ships/from Iranian ports? Otherwise it’d be like a declaration of war.
Blocking ports is a act/declaration of war as well but I guess we are not doing that thing anymore.
They are already at war with Iran.
Yeah I know, de facto they are at war. But not de jure. As far as I know, congress hasn’t declared war. Nor has trump, unless I’ve missed something.
But anyway, that was my point, there doesn’t seem to be declaration of wars anymore. Just send in missiles and pretend its a police action, special military operation or whatever is the easiest way to get out of the legal responsibilities of an actual, declared war.
Sure, but it’s definitely a war, declared or not, so yeah de facto, which is probably enough for the Iranians.
Do the same with China and the situation might be different IMO.
Yeah I’m not arguing that its not a war or anything. I’m just saying that the cunts have figured out that not officially declaring war gets them out of the legalities of war. And they have also figured out that no one will do anything about it.
Exactly! I think I just wanted to pile on on top of your comment. The whole situation is infuriating on so many levels.
Dunno about war, but the CENTCOM release is pretty clear-cut:
The blockade will be enforced impartially against vessels of all nations entering or departing Iranian ports and coastal areas
Got an IMO for Starry? I’ve got the enterprise version plus three other enterprise tracking programs and can check.
That’s assuming GNSS isn’t insane at the moment.
She’s through the straight in two of my systems. But oddly on MT enterprise, she has turned her heading 180 just a while ago. She’s not taking bunkers (and is a bit too far from OPL anyway for that).
Thanks! Looks like that 180’s showing on my noob free tier now too. Pretty much the same thing Elpis did; through the strait itself no problems but then a sudden 180 in the Gulf right about the same place as Starry. Elpis came to a standstill almost immediately after but Starry is allegedly still doing 8.1 kn, strange.
The GNSS interference isn’t as bad in the Gulf of Oman usually. If you don’t have enterprise then you are seeing terrestrial stations only, and those are less affected by the jamming.
There shouldn’t be US threats against this ship as per CENTCOM rules. Most likely Iran would have asked China for more support, or prefer the optics of fully closed gulf at the moment.
Of course, only Europe is still afraid of the USA. I hope that will also change soon and the USA will take its quiet place behind the “beautiful oceans”.
Nuclear Paradise.
Still better than “Русский мир”.
Sounds like a Pokemon you… Pokemon.
