• Chulk@lemmy.ml
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    22 hours ago

    Nothing you’re saying makes sense actually. What are you talking about?

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      22 hours ago

      Historical facts. Both those wars would have gone very differently if not for working with people with whom we had ideological differences.

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        21 hours ago

        You said:

        “leftists” are as hell- bent on division as rightists

        and then cited an example where we cooperated with communists (leftists) to defeat Nazis (right-wing fascists). Seems to me that we should always cooperate with leftists and never cooperate with Nazis. Again, what is your point?

        My point is that being saying,

        “leftists” are as hell- bent on division as rightists

        You are watering down history and making a dangerous false equivalence. We are dealing with Nazis right now, and it seems to me that your point is that we should “settle our differences” and try to work with them. If that is your point of view (I’m hoping it’s not), that is really short-sighted. Nazi ideology does not involve compromise. It involves systematically killing anyone who does not look/think/act like you.

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          21 hours ago

          and then cited an example where we cooperated with communists (leftists)

          I agree communists are leftists, and have been demonized by the West to support literal Nazis. My point was the ideological differences.

          To your other points, when history has been seriously abridged and outright altered, in what institutions of education have been teaching since the original Red Scare (which never ended), most conservative voters a. Don’t t realize these are fascistic ideals, and b, a lot of them are genuinely horrified by how far this has gone.

          We see the same problems, but assess causes and solutions differently. I literally spoke with s maga voter in the last six months who is probably really hurting right now, due to current and ongoing policy. I asked why our tax dollars don’t go to actual taxpayers. He thought about that a minute rightly assessed that it is because politicians and corporations are greedy and selfserving. The light was beginning to flicker. Unfortunately the conversation was interrupted, and he lives in a different state. We can make a difference, but the will had to exist.

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        21 hours ago

        Are you saying the US-Afghan war could’ve been successful? Or do you think it was successful, and somehow a result of working with ideological differences?