He’s a rich petit bourg anarchist who regulalry uses the r slur. I don’t think there’s a reason for me to read what he says generously.
There’s no time for people to be “new at this”. Prosletyzing is for evangelical Christians…
I’m comfortable with what I’ve said. I think it’s worth considering why insulting a “leftist” entertainer should be taken personally. He’s not a friend to anyone who would be here - he’s just milking patreon dollars.
Also, someone who wants union labor rights and free healthcare for Amerikkkans without an end to the genocides is not functionally different from a Nazi.
He’s closer ideologically to your or me than probably 95% of the U.S., if not more. Criticism is fine, but when you’re starting with a group that small you’re not going to get anywhere if you’re writing off even someone like him.
There’s no time for people to be “new at this”
You’re not wrong – we’re really far from having an organized left capable of doing something – but pointing this out doesn’t change how people respond to new ideas.
He’s closer ideologically to your or me than probably 95% of the U.S., if not more. Criticism is fine, but when you’re starting with a group that small you’re not going to get anywhere if you’re writing off even someone like him.
I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong to feel this way about him, but I increasingly don’t think 95% is enough. If someone like Fetterman is 80%, is that acceptable? Where’s the line? ( That’s mostly a rhetorical question)
I don’t view Fetterman as anywhere near that close to most folks here.
As far as where to draw the line… a really important question I don’t have a good answer to. I’m not sure anybody has a good, consistent answer. But I think implicit in the idea of building a mass movement is reaching outside of the circle of people who are basically all on the same page, because that circle is small.
But I think implicit in the idea of building a mass movement is reaching outside of the circle of people who are basically all on the same page, because that circle is small.
If that mass movement is against autistic people, or against acknowledging the Gaza genocide, what is it a mass movement towards? What is acceptable to leave off to attract allies?
I really mean that rhetorically, I’m not trying to debate and be mean or whatever, I’m just trying to make sense of things.
union labor rights and free healthcare for Amerikkkans without an end to the genocides
There is reason the nazis were called NATIONAL socialists. Of course when in power they actually didnt give german workers the treats they wanted, but that aspect was a major selling points for the nazis.
He’s a rich petit bourg anarchist who regulalry uses the r slur. I don’t think there’s a reason for me to read what he says generously.
There’s no time for people to be “new at this”. Prosletyzing is for evangelical Christians…
I’m comfortable with what I’ve said. I think it’s worth considering why insulting a “leftist” entertainer should be taken personally. He’s not a friend to anyone who would be here - he’s just milking patreon dollars.
Also, someone who wants union labor rights and free healthcare for Amerikkkans without an end to the genocides is not functionally different from a Nazi.
He’s closer ideologically to your or me than probably 95% of the U.S., if not more. Criticism is fine, but when you’re starting with a group that small you’re not going to get anywhere if you’re writing off even someone like him.
You’re not wrong – we’re really far from having an organized left capable of doing something – but pointing this out doesn’t change how people respond to new ideas.
I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong to feel this way about him, but I increasingly don’t think 95% is enough. If someone like Fetterman is 80%, is that acceptable? Where’s the line? ( That’s mostly a rhetorical question)
Don’t think that scumbag fetterman is any where near 80% Communist, not even sure if he’s even 80% human to begin with.
I kind of meant that as the point – like Fetterman is clearly not a comrade, but is more “left” than a lot of people in the U$
Ah didn’t get it, sorry for the mishap comrade.
No worries, apologies for not being more clear!
I don’t view Fetterman as anywhere near that close to most folks here.
As far as where to draw the line… a really important question I don’t have a good answer to. I’m not sure anybody has a good, consistent answer. But I think implicit in the idea of building a mass movement is reaching outside of the circle of people who are basically all on the same page, because that circle is small.
If that mass movement is against autistic people, or against acknowledging the Gaza genocide, what is it a mass movement towards? What is acceptable to leave off to attract allies?
I really mean that rhetorically, I’m not trying to debate and be mean or whatever, I’m just trying to make sense of things.
There is reason the nazis were called NATIONAL socialists. Of course when in power they actually didnt give german workers the treats they wanted, but that aspect was a major selling points for the nazis.