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AI-generated videos promoting Poland’s exit from the European Union have appeared on Polish-language social media, featuring non-existent, attractive young women advocating for “Polexit”.
One TikTok account called “Prawilne Polki” published content showing women dressed in T-shirts bearing Polish flags and patriotic symbols, European analytics collective Res Futura said. The content targeted audiences aged 15 to 25.
The videos featured statements including: “I want Polexit because I want freedom of choice, even if it will be more expensive. I don’t remember Poland before the European Union, but I feel it was more Polish then.”
Yeah, Finn’s behaviour with the Sámi has not ben very nice at all. I am happy that we’ve largely changed directions, even though we still do weird shit, such as the authorities in Helsinki deciding who is allowed to count as Sámi and who not, ignoring the opinion of the actual Sámi people… But our behaviour is from a different planet compared to what the Russian Empire, USSR and the Russian Federation have been doing and is doing. There is no genocide of the Sámi people going on. Regarding Canadian mining companies I do not know enough to understand what you are referring to.
Iraqi war caused only half a million to one million casualties. How is that worse than what the Russian Empire and USSR have done to their colonies? And what the Russia has been continuing since? Even if the Russia has toned that behaviour down from the Soviet times, it is still being a horrible colonialist. And it’s the only European colonial power that has not given freedom to most of its colonies. France, England and Portugal still have some colonies here and there, but even they have let the most go. The Russia/USSR let less than one quarter of its colonized territories free in 1991. And even in those areas it continued the same behaviour France is known for in its old colonies.
There are smaller regime changes for mining rights. Canada also has their natives. Don’t those natives have less than what natives in Russia have?
I was comparing newer times. Otherwise you have to look at native Americans. My impression is that they had it worse.
In Ukraine there are far fewer casualities. Still not good, but in comparison the US looks worse.
Same for Britain while the US took over the Spanish empire.
Russia is an empire. The problem for Russia is that they can’t dissolve and regroup like the EU or with the EU because the US would grab everything and treat it like South America.
People believe in American freedom while the poor there work two jobs and don’t have dental care. People ignore recent American atrocities while they remember all the Russian ones.
Thanks to Venezuela it should be clear that there is some reason for keeping the empire together. Of course that doesn’t justify any genociding.
About the same as native Siberians have it now. The behaviour of USA towards indigenous Americans some centuries ago absolutely does fulfil the criteria of genocide. The only difference is that the Russia really got going on that stuff once the railway was built in the native’s lands, in the early 20th century, so it’s an ongoing disaster, not something where the worst parts were done in the past.
This is surprising. Could you care to explain how?
Who are these “people”? I don’t think those are half as many as you think.
Please show recent-ish American atrocities that are at least on the same level as the Russian ones. (Hirošima and Nagasaki do count, but they are not things that people ignore). For the purposes of this conversation it would be good if they were from this century, or at the very latest from 1990’s. When looking at what the Russia is doing now, whatever took place more than half a century ago is not very descriptive by itself, even if it does explain contemporary reactions of people in countries bordering the Russia.
Happy to hear that. You are not an .ml-ie ❤️
Shooting the buffalos to starve them to death.
The treatment of the Ingush comes close but the death marches of the US sound worse.
Overall there are hardly any natives in the east of the US even though that’s the fertile land where they must have lived.
What are the Russian ones? What does top Iraq? All the wars are pushed by the US if you look closely. UAE won’t have acted in Sudan without the US. Congo and Ruanda is for western resources.
Directly in the US I would say that the black prison population and the gerrimandering and school financing can be seen as a genocide. There is also the health care system against the poor.
I am not a fan of discrediting comments for coming from .ml.
Yeah, I noticed already yesterday that it looks similar to the ethnic map of the Russia. But the difference is that USA has toned down its behaviour, the Russia a has not. Shooting the buffalos to starve a nation to death is pretty much Holodomor.
First Chechen war killed 35 000 to 50 000 civilians, the second one something like 25 000 to 35 000. And civilians and soldiers altogether, they were about 150 000 to 300 000 dead in the two Chechen wars. Plus a lot of wounded, and Groznyi got completely levelled in the way Bakhmut was.
And then there are of course the victims of Mariupol, who number in 15 000 to 25 000.
USA’s war in Iraq cost lives of about 25 000 human lives, most of which were civilians. If we add all excess mortality caused by the war, then we get very much higher numbers for both Iraq and Ukraine.
Then, the Russian ones beside these actual big-scale slaughters in Russian-type warfare, there’s the ongoing genocides where people are not murdered, but cultures are eradicated. They were ongoing already in 1990’s, not only now.
But also: There is no good reason in caring about whether USA’s numbers are bigger than those of the Russia. Your neighbour rob and kill five people does not mean you are allowed to rob and kill one person.
USA has done a much smaller amount of evil deeds in the last century or half a century, but even if it had done more, that’s irrelevant. A big bad thing done to bystanders does not mean a smaller bad thing done to bystanders is suddenly okay.
I don’t mean all comments coming from .ml. A lot of people start there and then change for instances where human rights have a meaning. A person is not automatically bad just for being on .ml. If they were, they would be bad even after moving elsewhere, would they not?
But you don’t need to write many times in a community on .ml to notice that their admins’ and moderators’ values are strongly opposed to human rights. I obviously do not appreciate people who support opposers of human rights. I believe in that our thoughts align.
Of course. The difference is that Russia hasn’t pushed the US to do the Iraq war, Syria or Afghanistan. At most it can be said that Russia’s influence on Syria to deny the pipeline from Qatar made the US intervene. That would have maintained the status quo.
For Chechnya I am not sure but the US were fully aware that Ukraine is like Cuba to Russia which btw is also suppression. The intervention of Nuland is documented. The deaths can as well be counted on the US as a sacrifice that they were willing to make.
To white people, if the political influencing in the world and things like the drug pandemic in the US, and Russia, don’t count. The cleansing in Indonesia of Communists was caused by the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965–66 . A bit more than 50 years, like Bangladesh, but isn’t that enough to make Russia the lesser evil?
I don’t think that they argue against human rights. The problem comes from them arguing that things like the Holodomor were justified.
They align but it’s a trick question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam Human rights are not as fundamental as they are presented.
To oppose human rights, there is Guantanamo and the share of the the black prison population. And still, the US remain the champion of human rights.
If we are taking this from 1960’s in this weird comparison of ours that has nothing sensible to do with Ukraine (as USA is not a part of neither Ukraine or the Russia), the we’ll also need to take into account those who died in the Soviet prison camps. The death toll was absolutely maddening until the GULAG system was closes in the late 1950’s, but even after that deaths were extremely common. The death toll of the Soviet prison camp system after 1950’s is a seven-digit number.
Though, all of this doesn’t matter: Even if the death toll of Soviet camps had been only, say 1000 people per year, it would still not mean that those were not okay. It’s impossible to find US numbers without a Soviet counterpart that is even higher. That doesn’t mean that the USA is somehow a fantastically awesome country or anything like that. It only means that they were very murderous instead of very extremely murderous back in those days.
And indeed: Even is USSR had been only very murderous instead of very extremely murderous – or even if it has been merely murderous, genocides are still not an okay thing to do. It doesn’t matter if you make a very big genocide or a genocide that is very small when compared to some other genocides. A genocide is never acceptable. Never ever.
That happened in year 2014. Putin having the Russian grammar altered so that the “в Украине”, as it was officially correct since year 1991, was replaced with “на Украине” happened in year 2008, six years before this phone call you are referring to.
And in case that you are not aware of that rule in the Russian grammar:
When you are talking about independent countries, in Russian languages you always say “in Germany”, “in Ukraine”, “in Russia”, “in Spain”. The Russian word for “in” is “в” (or the same translit to Latin alphabet: “v”).
And about regions, you often say “on”. In Russian you say “on Crimea”, “on the Krasnodar land”, etc. The Russian word for “on” is “на”. Or, the same in Latin alphabet: “na”.
In year 1991 they said that now it’s officially “in Ukraine”, although during Soviet times they had said “on Ukraine”, because back then Ukraine was not an independent country.
But then there was the orange revolution, and after that, Putin decided Ukraine should no longer be allowed to exist, and began a campaign for taking over Ukraine. One part of that campaign was this change of grammar, basically forbidding all official outlets from using a grammatical form suggesting that Ukraine is a full-fledged independent country.
What you are saying here is that Nuland went 6 years back in time with her phone call.
And also, in that phone call she says who she would prefer to see in the leading position in Ukraine. You bet in the previous elections, the embassy of Finland in Washington D.C. had a similar phone call, where the some important worker in the embassy of Finland told someone in Finland who they would prefer to see as the next president of USA and why. Does that mean that Finland was making an intervention in US politics? Well, I know. It does. And apparently the intervention was a failure. But hey, at least we tried!
You bet there were similar phone calls being made also from the Swiss embassy in Kyiv. And from the Polish embassy and from the Portuguese embassy – because why the heck would there not be? It’s the job of embassy workers to keep their home country’s officials on track with what they think is in best interest of their own country and talk about it. Please listen to that phone call with this in mind. You will also notice that it was very unlikely to have travelled 6 years backwards through time. It was not a call important enough for that purpose.
(My friends were at Maidan in Kyiv back then. I know what they were doing there and I know why they were there. This whole “Ukrainians have no agency” you are spouting is a horrible story that you should not allow to rot your brain. They were there to protect their country from an autocratic coup that was being done by their president. They were doing pretty much what people in USA should be doing right now. But people in USA are not Ukrainians. They will not surround the centre of Washington DC. They will not build shields to protect from ICE. They will be okay with landing in fascism.)
They removed a comment of mine because I said that putting Uyghurs in concentration camps is not okay. That is arguing against human rights. A very crude kind of arguing, as outright deleting a comment is not a very constructive argumentational device, but arguing all the same.
Here you are wrong. And also, I think after this comment of yours, I can save myself the work of having this conversation with you.
How does that oppose the concept of human rights?
Now really. It is not. Just look at goddamn Trump and what he’s doing. I will not be able to see whatever you reply, because after going through all this “US has done horrible things” you still fail to see that USA is not a champion of human rights. Was a nice conversation until this post of yours. Bye.
You fail to see sarcasm.
If you haven’t blocked me and are able to stomach where I think that you are wrong, please let me know.
It was indeed a nice conversation. I hope that it continues. I have learned many interesting facts.
Here, BTW, I want to ask you:
Why do you think the situations of the nations colonized by the Russia would be any worse under US rule? I mean, if they are ever liberated from the Russian rule, I would strongly oppose anything else happening to them than them getting full sovereignty, like for example Algeria did. But even if you are right and they do end up under US, rule, why would that be any worse for the locals than the current Russian rule? I believe it would still be very bad, but much less bad than now. USA was behaving the same towards its colonized native populations some century or 1½ centuries ago as the Russia is behaving to its native populations now, and the native Americans’ situation in contemporary USA is definitely not something to celebrate, but the contemporary USA is nevertheless definitely treating the locals better (or maybe you’d prefer the phrasing: less badly) than the Russia is treating the native populations of territories ruled by it. And I really do think that the US would treat the colonized Siberians much nicer than it treats native Americans
If the Russian colonies somehow end up from Russian rule under US rule, then that’s very sad, but it’s still an improvement for their rights. Why, precisely, are you actually arguing against that?
As written in the other comment, east USA.
That should be worrisome, not reason for hope.
The US is not a white project. The whiteness won’t protect the Asian natives. Whiteness was arbitrarily extended to have a majority identity to supress the rest while not having to share the majority of resources which could be kept to the elite.
Are there native cities like Grosny in the US?