We want to DIY some unique marker inspired artwork. The “DNA art” from companies online involves sending a DNA sample, and we have privacy concerns about that, and we’d rather not fork out thousands of dollars for DNA sequencing devices just for this. We can resort to a fingerprint for inspiration if there’s nothing more interesting available and affordable to us, but we’d like to explore our options first.

The DNA sequence artworks they’re talking about are ones like this, but it doesn’t necessarily have to look anything like these:

  • k48r@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    I don’t know the full process for making these, but I can take a fairly educated guess.

    First they are going to take the DNA sample and use a reaction called PCR to amplify it. This will copy a small section of DNA, not the whole sequence. For the PCR to work for all of their customers, this has to be a region* that nearly everyone has in their DNA.

    They then take the PCR product and treat it with different enzymes that are like molecular scissors which will chop at specific sub-sequences. The personal nature of the art comes from small differences between people in the region amplified in the original PCR. Different sequence = different cuts = different lengths of pieces.

    They then run the enzyme digests on a gel, which is like a slab of thick jello. The bigger the piece, the slower it moves so the pieces separate. The lanes on the sides are a standard “ladder” of known sized pieces. You can visualize these gels under a UV lamp.

    They can either use molecular tags or, more likely, photoshop to make the art piece look more interesting.

    There is not any actual sequencing of the DNA happening in this process, and the band patterns are pretty low-resolution so it’s unlikely that this could be used to identify someone.

    If this is a legitimate operation, then there is not a situation where the art company has an unsecured disk with lots of DNA sequences on it.

    All that said, the concern about sharing genetic material with random companies is valid because they could also sequence it if they wanted to, but that would be relatively expensive and actively malicious. I believe the risk is low but non-zero, and everyone will have a different comfort level with that.

    If you want alternative options you might be able to find an open lab or local college that will work with you to run your own PCR and gel, then photoshop the result yourself.

    Hope that helps you make a more informed decision.

    *To be a little more pedantic, everyone has to have the same ends of the region where the copying starts and stops. The part in between, which is a small fraction of your total DNA, can still be different.

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    1 day ago

    not entirely sure what your question is … why not just … make art that looks like this? What’s the “science” part of the question?

    You could always submit DNA from a pet or something that wouldn’t be a privacy issue, but I think it’s smart not to ever give your DNA to a for-profit company (and to be careful when giving it to medical companies, etc.).

    For what it’s worth, gel electrophoresis was something I did in high-school, you could probably buy RNA or DNA samples online and setup your own electrophoresis, but then I’m not sure what you would want to do with the result - but it would look a lot like the photos you’re sharing in terms of showing the DNA fragments suspended in the gel 🤷‍♀️

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      1 day ago

      gel electrophoresis

      Thank you, this is the kind of answer we’re looking for :)

      why not just … make art that looks like this?

      The value of this kind of art, to them, is that it represents something real and personal.

      You could always submit DNA from a pet or something that wouldn’t be a privacy issue

      Good idea!

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    23 hours ago

    I’m willing to bet they don’t do dna sequencing to make that art.

    Just send in someone else’s DNA. Stray cat maybe?

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    I have some biology under my belt and did a few partner projects with community bio labs.

    Are there any community bio labs near you? A PCR/gel electrophoresis shindig is pretty cheap and easy to pull off, and anyone working there would know how to do it. They might even have community workshops for just that.

    You’re right about privacy too, no matter what a company’s policies are now, they could change ownership, go under, or laws can change.

    If you’re into making this more fun, here’s some info on how to do your own PCR for cheap: https://bitesizebio.com/23899/build-your-own-pcr-machine/

    There’s a link in there for DIY gel electrophoresis, too.