• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    The structure of the economy has changed fundamentally. And so the goals of these privately bankrolled institutions have changed with it.

    Churches, as institutions, no longer aspire to maximize the number of middle class bodies in pews, because the middle class is no longer flush with surplus cash. Instead, they need to attract extraordinarily wealthy individual patrons to survive. To that end, church officials making a spectacle of casting out a single kid from a non-wealthy family for being “Woke” operates as a kind-of fundraising event for the patrician class.

    Modern religious institutions don’t exist to tame and homogenize a frontier population’s moral code. They now serve to legitimize and promote high ranking officials as More Holy Than Thou. And as churches gain more roles of state government, its the public that has to ask special dispensation to join the church, not the other way around.

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      22 days ago

      Just like how it was in the old days…

      This catering to the rich and wealthy is exactly what caused the pilgrims to come to America (plus other things including the fact the pilgrims were religious extremists themselves). And now it is happening again.

      The cycle or Religious bullshit must continue-

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        22 days ago

        This catering to the rich and wealthy is exactly what caused the pilgrims to come to America

        Well, that and the 30 Years War, sure.

        The cycle or Religious bullshit must continue-

        The problem of lying is as ancient as the advent of human speech. Even if all formalized dogmatism vanished tomorrow, you’d still have people mistaking correlation for causation and developing superstitions and taboos as a result. Jordan B. Peterson is a great example of this in practice. In another time, he’d be a Joseph Smith or L. Ron Hubbard figure.

        But, at some level, any individual’s cache of information is going to be incomplete. We all rely on the grand game of telephone that is oral and written history. “The cycle of Religion” is just a facet of this cycle of generational retelling of accrued lore. How do you keep the logs accurate and the lorekeepers faithful to accumulated wisdom? Damned if I know. Double-entry book keeping seems to help, but its hardly foolproof.

  • Ephera@lemmy.ml
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    23 days ago

    Where I live, the 4yo would get molested by a priest, and that would get covered up by the bishop. Which is also a pretty good reason to leave / not join the church.

  • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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    22 days ago

    Thing is, the German lutheran church is basically going all-in on being progressive and inclusive (relative to other churches anyway), they even do gay marriages now. And they’re still bleeding members like crazy, because Germans are becoming less and less religious.

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    23 days ago

    Modern religions … any and all modern religions are all the same now

    They don’t worship a God … or Gods … or Saints … or prophets … or angels … or Holy Spirits

    They all worship money and power … and their message is one of control and obedience, so that they can have all the money and power.

    They’re all basically the same.

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    Had a church ask us what brought us to the church. The cafe, popularity of the pastor, social meida advert, etc. We said to worshih god,

    it was not on thier list as a reason to go to church