That’s literally been the strategy taken by leftist in the US since the 1940’s and it’s only gotten worse and worse, to the point that people like Obama, Harris, and even Biden get labelled as “socialist.” It literally does not matter how much you try to avoid being associated with the USSR or other socialist states, you will be accused of being like them if you try to do anything even remotely good. So, since that’s going to happen anyway, we might as well stop punching left and stop letting misinformation about such states run wild out of fear of being associated with them.
OK, face of Karl Marx then. The German guy who never even set foot in the USSR.
Oh wait you think that’s bad too.
What about Engels? No, don’t even know who that is but bad because associated with Marx.
What about Mao-no.
What about Che Guev-no.
Ho Chi-no.
Yugo-no.
Venez-no.
The Red Deal, which is Indigenous socialism? Oof so close but red bad.
What about the Paris commune? No? Still bad in your mind?
Marxist Austria? Nah I’m sure the army that put an end to that is preferable according to you. They called themselves socialist with none of the Soviet imagery after all!
Even if we completely rebranded socialism you’d make it your mission to add the Soviet imagery back in and remind everyone of it. Like y’all do for decidedly capitalist bandaids like social democracy or welfare State that don’t even have anything to do with socialism.
If you can’t get past the Soviet imagery because of all the propaganda you swallowed, you’re not going to be convinced by actual socialist theory either. And if you do support socialist theory by itself, then you should already have more nuanced thoughts than “hammer sickle bad because the school that forced me to recite pledges of alligence to my country’s flag every day (which we never even did in communist China mind you) taught me it’s bad.”
I’ll let the various communist parties currently in power in countries like the PRC, Vietnam, etc. to distance themselves from the hammer and sickle, as you don’t personally take them seriously.
calling Stalin a socialist is like calling North Korea a bastion of freedom, associating with people like him is why its so easy for the shitty rich people to claim we are evil
calling Stalin a socialist is like calling North Korea a bastion of freedom
Which end of Korea hosted the anti-Japanese resistance movement, again? Which end of Korea is still filthy with Japanese collaborators and their heirs and benefactors to this day? What was the Bodo League Massacre and how did it instigate the war? Which country held parliamentary elections starting in 1948, free from the influence of an outside occupying government? What is Juche and how did it inform redevelopment following the war? Which country spends more on its military by a factor of 8x, primarily through grants and loans from its allies?
After Mr. Jang, the North Korean “defectors” are given time to speak. The most notable thing about both of them is that they both wish to return to the North. With the South so often being portrayed as a land of milk and honey when compared to the North the fact that the “defectors” wish to return, expeditiously, does again speak to the narratives about the North not being wholly accurate.
Mrs. Kim doesn’t discuss much about the North outside of missing her family, most notably her daughter. Her tragedy, being kidnapped, forced to remain in the south, attempting suicide multiple times, and forced to carry on is one of the most heart-rending testimonials from a “defector”.
Mr. Choi is a bit of the opposite, he too is a tragic case, as he’s still extremely loyal to the North. He’s an open and avowed communist and Korean nationalist. He speaks with pride of his country but does acknowledge economic hardship is what drove him to China, which in turn led to him being in the South. His passion for his homeland shines through and stands in stark contrast to the common narrative from other defectors.
ah yes “one side sucks so clearly that means the other side is absolutely perfect” you are fucking disgusting, people like who are why we never get any progress. You idealize tyranny and oppression because you have been lied to and told it is communism while true communists cannot get anywhere because of filth like you celebrating nations that murder anyone who has an opinion.
one side sucks so clearly that means the other side is absolutely perfect
It’s funny to hear liberals defend the genocidal members of the Democratic Party by insisting “we can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”.
But when you’re a guerrilla resistance fighting of the Japanese at their most bloodthirsty, or a country that’s painstakingly recovering after suffering more bombings in a year than all of Europe suffered in four, the bar gets raised through the roof.
You idealize tyranny and oppression
You are living under a totalitarian regime right now, you big dummy. You don’t seem to mind.
lmao you think I’m defending the genocidal losers who only still have any power because half the country is worse than them, this country is a shitshow, but worshiping dictators will not fix it. If you want actual change you need to push for progress instead of idealizing a shit past, grow up.
wow amazing argument clearly you are very intelligent. Meanwhile you are actively defending North Korea a nation that will kill its citizens for just trying to leave
Honestly if people want communism and socialism to be taken seriously you gotta drop all the soviet imagery.
“If you want people to take communism seriously you have to concede everything to the people who hate communism!”
That’s literally been the strategy taken by leftist in the US since the 1940’s and it’s only gotten worse and worse, to the point that people like Obama, Harris, and even Biden get labelled as “socialist.” It literally does not matter how much you try to avoid being associated with the USSR or other socialist states, you will be accused of being like them if you try to do anything even remotely good. So, since that’s going to happen anyway, we might as well stop punching left and stop letting misinformation about such states run wild out of fear of being associated with them.
OK, face of Karl Marx then. The German guy who never even set foot in the USSR.
Oh wait you think that’s bad too.
What about Engels? No, don’t even know who that is but bad because associated with Marx.
What about Mao-no.
What about Che Guev-no.
Ho Chi-no.
Yugo-no.
Venez-no.
The Red Deal, which is Indigenous socialism? Oof so close but red bad.
What about the Paris commune? No? Still bad in your mind?
Marxist Austria? Nah I’m sure the army that put an end to that is preferable according to you. They called themselves socialist with none of the Soviet imagery after all!
Even if we completely rebranded socialism you’d make it your mission to add the Soviet imagery back in and remind everyone of it. Like y’all do for decidedly capitalist bandaids like social democracy or welfare State that don’t even have anything to do with socialism.
If you can’t get past the Soviet imagery because of all the propaganda you swallowed, you’re not going to be convinced by actual socialist theory either. And if you do support socialist theory by itself, then you should already have more nuanced thoughts than “hammer sickle bad because the school that forced me to recite pledges of alligence to my country’s flag every day (which we never even did in communist China mind you) taught me it’s bad.”
I’ll let the various communist parties currently in power in countries like the PRC, Vietnam, etc. to distance themselves from the hammer and sickle, as you don’t personally take them seriously.
Tell you what, we’ll stop venerating Actual Existing Socialists when you guys quit dry humping plantation owners and genocidal war mongers.
Get Jefferson of the $20 and I promise never to quote Stalin again.
calling Stalin a socialist is like calling North Korea a bastion of freedom, associating with people like him is why its so easy for the shitty rich people to claim we are evil
Which end of Korea hosted the anti-Japanese resistance movement, again? Which end of Korea is still filthy with Japanese collaborators and their heirs and benefactors to this day? What was the Bodo League Massacre and how did it instigate the war? Which country held parliamentary elections starting in 1948, free from the influence of an outside occupying government? What is Juche and how did it inform redevelopment following the war? Which country spends more on its military by a factor of 8x, primarily through grants and loans from its allies?
I’m sure you could talk shit about North Korea for hours, days even, based on what your tabloid press has punched into your ears. I gotta wonder if you’ve even once heard how North Korean expats arrive in the South or are treated by their “liberators”.
ah yes “one side sucks so clearly that means the other side is absolutely perfect” you are fucking disgusting, people like who are why we never get any progress. You idealize tyranny and oppression because you have been lied to and told it is communism while true communists cannot get anywhere because of filth like you celebrating nations that murder anyone who has an opinion.
It’s funny to hear liberals defend the genocidal members of the Democratic Party by insisting “we can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”.
But when you’re a guerrilla resistance fighting of the Japanese at their most bloodthirsty, or a country that’s painstakingly recovering after suffering more bombings in a year than all of Europe suffered in four, the bar gets raised through the roof.
You are living under a totalitarian regime right now, you big dummy. You don’t seem to mind.
lmao you think I’m defending the genocidal losers who only still have any power because half the country is worse than them, this country is a shitshow, but worshiping dictators will not fix it. If you want actual change you need to push for progress instead of idealizing a shit past, grow up.
If the shoe fits
wow amazing argument clearly you are very intelligent. Meanwhile you are actively defending North Korea a nation that will kill its citizens for just trying to leave
done and done. doesn’t work.
done too, doesn’t work either.