• Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    “Well I read in a book that I was there. I can’t actually remember more than a few hundred years back.”

    Ashildr from Doctor Who was brilliant.

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      2 years ago

      I’m wondering now, how our little brains would adapt to living like for thousands of years. Would we really start forgetting things that are waaaay back?

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        2 years ago

        I’ve already forgotten most of my childhood and I’m only around 30. So I’d assume, yes.

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            Nah, it’s just shitty memory. I have had quite the happy childhood, actually.

            I don’t find myself reminiscing a lot and in the rare cases I do, there are quite some gaps. Even in more recent times. If I really try to dig, maybe it comes back, but I assume it’s “use it or lose it”.

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        2 years ago

        You would forget most everything. Even big events would become fuzzy. Do you remember what you had for lunch on this date when you were 5?

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    2 years ago

    Hey Gandalf, fuck off. Were you literally there 3,000 years ago? Or are you just going “You’re younger than me, so you know fuckall”?

    Fuckin boomer

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      2 years ago

      So there were five godlike beings sent to fight Sauron. Only one of them did his job.

      I need to reword it.

      You are the big cool powerful god. One of your servants, a minor much less powerful god does bad things to the world. So you send five your other servants just as powerful as the bad one to deal with him.

      A lot of time passes. Three of those spend their time chilling. One joins the bad one. The last one turns out too weak. Who solves the problem? Four hobbits.

      You really should reconsider your politics after that.

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        2 years ago

        Wait till you learn about Melkor! He’s a Vala, or one of the Valar, which is a higher order than the Maiar, and was basically super-Sauron from the before times

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          And he was scared of Ungoliant, and we don’t know what she is, besides nasty, and hungry, and shaped like a huge spider (well, spiders are shaped like her, probably).

          (He also got his foot almost cut off by an elf in single combat and walked with a limp ever after — well, at least until he got his hands and feet cut off by the rest of the Valar, I suppose —, but elves were mighty back then.)

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            1 year ago

            I always took it that Morgoth spent too much of himself to create bullshit and that’s why an elf could topple a Vala, otherwise it doesn’t really make sense.

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              1 year ago

              He did indeed spread himself out; Arda was Melkor’s “ring” as much as the one ring was Sauron’s.

              That said, even at his weakest, it took all the forces of Valinor, plus the men and remaining elves of Middle Earth to finally defeat and banish him. He’s by far the most powerful of the Valar (and probably the Ainur).

              Even if diminished, Fingolfin standing his ground against him for as long as he did and permanently crippling him was still a pretty big deal.

              (You also have elves standing their ground in single combat against balrogs, and even defeating them; some elves were pretty damn powerful.)

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        Isn’t much of the power of the Maiar in diplomacy and setting events in motion? Gandalf was as much of an interloper and manipulator as he was anything else, and his hiring Bilbo as a thief was the penultimate piece of his mission, as inadvertent as I’m not entirely sure it was. Right? No, really, I’m kinda asking, I don’t know for sure.

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          As stated in unfinished tales, Gandalf didn’t know that Bilbo would find the ring on the adventure. He originally wanted to help Thorin since having dwarves in the lonely mountain would prevent Sauron from attacking Gondor and Lothlórien from the north. The ring finding it’s way to Gollum and then Bilbo was almost definitely due to slight meddling from Eru (just as Gollum’s death was due to Eru loosening the rocks under his feet) so Gandalf could orchestrate the fellowship’s journey.

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    Doesn’t matter. While that amazon shitshow tells a different story, Gandalf (as Radagast and Saruman) only arrived in the third age, long after the War of the Last Alliance. Gandalf might be infinitely older than Elrond yet wasn’t there.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      This does raise the question “Does your age count when you’re in Valinor?”

      Because it’s literally the undying lands. Are we really going to pull rank between two functionally ageless beings? Seems petty.

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        2 years ago

        It’s not about rank or age. It’s about who’s been present at the last battle of the War of the Last Alliance. Also, at the time of the depicted scene Elrond never was in Valinor, so at this point in time Gandalf definitely easier Elrond’s senior by orders of magnitude.

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    Small nerd gripe. Maia is the singular form of Maiar. “I am a Maia,” or “I am one of the Maiar” get you there