• AWittyUsername@lemmy.world
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    Pro-lifers don’t care.

    All they care about is the fact that the white population will decrease as no one can afford/wants children, so the best way to remedy that is to force them to.

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      They want having children to be a woman’s punishment for unapproved sex, and they want the kid (who had zero responsibility for creating that situation) to suffer through it along with her, with zero help so it’s all as unpleasant as possible, cuz apparently that makes Baby Jesus smile. Fucking lunatics.

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        At its core it’s about population control. As the birth rate is falling capitalism needs bodies to keep the cogs turning.

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          To a certain extent, but capitalism always adjusts to changes in birth rates. Reducing payroll has been a trend since the 80s, accelerating with computers, robotics, and now AI.

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      They want you to have children, and they want you to do it before you’re ready. They want you to be barely surviving so you can’t afford to switch jobs or take time off. They want you too powerless to have any leverage over your owner employer.

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    The worst part is draconic abortion bans also hurt those trying to have children. No one’s getting recreational third trimester abortions. You picked out a name, painted the nursery. Late term abortions are tragedies to all parties, and only ever happen because of life threatening conditions.

    I wouldn’t want to plan a child when any complication could mean death.

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    Birth control is nothing more than a form of medical technology. People against birth control and abortion(also medical technology) are Medical Luddites.

    They must be afraid of losing their jobs at crisis pregnancy centers, or be afraid they won’t be allowed to shame young single mothers anymore.

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      A meme (/miːm/ ⓘ; MEEM) is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme. A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures. In popular language, a meme may refer to an Internet meme, typically an image, that is remixed, copied, and circulated in a shared cultural experience online.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

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        Yes. It gets tiring. There aren’t even breaks in between “zomg! Look what trump and friends are doing! We are so much better” memes over and over and over and over.

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      It’s not and such content should be banned from memes. But Lemmy has nearly no moderation on validity of content. Tbh, I like Reddit a lot better in many ways except for the asshole admins. It has problems, but still lot better controlled than here.

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      There are people in committed relationships that don’t “sleep around” and also don’t want to get pregnant.

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      That’s easy for the neckbeard incel that’s never even finished a sentence in a woman’s presence without sweating to say.

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      What a strange way to announce to the world that you’re so pathetic a hooman female won’t even throw you a pity fuck.

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      Or, maybe, don’t impose your beliefs on women and let them make their own decisions with their body

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        Shit happens. Condoms break and birth control fails. Let people make their own decisions instead of imposing your beliefs on them just to feel morally superior

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            Right, so if somebody gets pregnant and doesn’t want to be, they can take responsibility and get an abortion, and you can stay they hell out of their business. Problem solved.

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                Everyone has a hand, but no one wants to use it.

                Using that hand to dial a phone to schedule an appointment to get an abortion counts as not wanting to use it? I took responsibility when I paid for the abortion, like a gentleman should.

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        The simpler the ‘fact’, the more likely it is to be an oversimplification and largely untrue.

        In this example, you have to overlook any time someone became pregnant without consent. They never chose it to begin with, so blaming them for “not taking responsibility” for something they never wanted is oversimplifying a complicated subject to the point of falsehood.

        It’s also especially funny how often this argument comes from people who, in the same breath, will talk about their savior being “of virgin birth”. You can’t argue that chastity works for everyone when it didn’t work for Mary.

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    I know I’m probably wrong here, and I’m willing to be better informed, but I don’t like the phrasing of abortion as mere “birth control,” as if it were equal to methods that prevent conception or implantation.

    Do people really feel it’s not a different sort of act, or would people be comfortable using abortion as their sole means of birth control (if it were safe and inconsequential to the woman)? And yes, I understand that the morning after pill is something of a gray area.

    Also yes, I am a Christian. But I understand that there are good reasons for abortion remaining legal.

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      Abortion as birth control is a lie they’ve been harping on for decades. No one does that. No one says, “Aw crap! Preggers again, off to the abortionplex!”

      I’ve impregnated two women that had abortions. I won’t go into the details, but we talked about it, decided to do it, and they were both emotionally crushed. The second woman lost her ability to ever have children from the procedure.

      Abortion is not a thing to be taken lightly, and no one does.

      And thanks for sticking your neck out and asking around here. Surprised you weren’t excoriated.

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    The folk wanting to restrict it probably don’t want to respect autonomy too much.

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    Doesn’t not having sex do that a little better tho? Like i totally get the point, but also, having sex gives chance of baby right? So, don’t do it unless you ready? Maybe I’m wrong.

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      There are only two reasons any post-pubescent human isn’t having sex:

      • They can’t find anyone to fuck them.

      • They’re legitimately asexual. (A rare thing. And no lemmy, just because you’re not getting laid doesn’t make you “asexual”.)

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      Isn’t the pill stated to be like 99% effective? Why discourage people from using it that want to plan their futures?

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      I’ve been told by multiple people that if men do not have sex they become fascists.

      So, no, not having sex is apparently not an option.

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      Sex is a basic human need. Having a child isn’t. You need to know you are compatible with your partner sexually or it will lead to tons of strife in a relationship. So not having sex unless you are asexual or a version of it isn’t an option.

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          Humans also do not die when they are shackled and locked in a dark room for years or decades, as long as you feed them. How is you argument sounding now?

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            Still better than ignoring the millions of people throughout history who haven’t had sex and lived long happy lives.

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                There are people who don’t choose but still are still fine.

                If what you’re saying is true Tom Hanks would have died of lack of sex on that island.

                Or I’d have died in the six years between going through puberty and having sex. Or the five years later on when I didn’t have sex but wanted to.

                “People need sex” is borderline incel shit.

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      No, you’re not “maybe wrong”. You’re absolutely and completely wrong seen as abstinence only programs have been shown over and over again to be ineffective. It’s a sad attempt at policing people’s desire for sex

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      You have the same worldview and understanding of human sexuality of an 8 year old.

      Either your ridiculously naive or just straight up an idiot. Possibly both.

      Jesus fucking Christ. I’ve never read anything so dumb on the internet. And I saw Trump get elected. Twice.