No matter which sort you use (except for new), content is recommended to you by activity. Depending on the sort (active, hot, top) it uses a slightly different mixture of votes/comments/time since post to determine the order.
The only exception is scaled, which boosts a little bit midsized communities, but still doesn’t manage to improve visibility of niche ones.
If lemmy is to truly start having active hobbyist communities instead of being 95% lefty US politics, Shitposts, and some tech stuff, it needs a sort that takes into account the user’s engagement.
For example, if I upvote / comment often in a community, there should be an option to have posts from the community be boosted in my feed, even if it’s a tiny community.
Let’s say I’m subscribed to !world@lemmy.world and !news@lemmy.world because I want to occasionally see news. However, I’m also subscribed to a couple hundred other communities, some of them who don’t manage to get more than a couple upvotes on their biggest posts. And whenever I see them I’m replying/upvoting because I’m passionate about that topic.
My feed shouldn’t be 95% c/news and c/world because those are the most upvoted and commented. I shouldn’t have to scroll down hundreds of posts to find “big” posts in small communities I interact with at any opportunity I get.
That’s why I think it would be beneficial to lemmy if the sort/algorithm took into account your engagement in a way.
It doesn’t have to be complicated, you can have a single number “engagement score” for every community calculated with a basic formula, and that number is used as a boost to the community.
I’m aware that there are some examples of successful niche communities on lemmy. But that’s mainly because either a significant chunk of the lemmy userbase is into that niche (let’s face it the lemmy community is not a representative sample of the world population, we tend to be very similar people), or because the posts on it are simplified image/video type posts which appeal to people who don’t know much about the subject.
Hi, I created the Lemmy client Quiblr which includes a For You feed which constantly evolves with the types of posts you interact with. 100% private and on-device (i.e. no data leaves your device).
On quiblr, you can use the “For You” sort like any other sort option
No matter which sort you use (except for new),
Yes, sorting by new is best. The rest of the post seems irrelevant.
I wish the web ui (and apps) could work like an old fashioned usenet reader, where it would list your subscribed communities and say how many unread posts each one had. I don’t like having all the communities jumbled together. That seems fixable.
Same, I stay away from /all and only follow my subscribed communities by new.
PieFed has some features that I find helpful in this regard.
One is the Categories of Communities. You’ll only see News in the News category or in the non-category search methods (standard Subscribed/All/New/etc.).
Another is the ability to follow - and arguably more important unfollow - everything. Including communities, posts, people, etc. I once made the mistake of replying to a comment in ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net, and another in Lemmygrad.ml, and the replies kept coming for WEEKS and WEEKS - I almost quit the Fediverse entirely at that point, and I hear that scenario repeated by others as well. But on PieFed, not only can I unfollow any conversation at any time, but unlike Lemmy it also allows a true blocking of all users from any instance you choose (edit: to clarify, I mean without requiring an admin to do it for you and everyone else on the same instance at the same time - a personal defederation that affects nobody else, just like a block, except that Lemmy doesn’t allow blocking users from instances, only communities from instances which is nowhere close to being the same thing).
Ofc nothing is perfect - e.g. I decided to unfollow poetry@lemmy.world bc I don’t want to read 5 of those in a row every morning, and rather would want to savor just one at a time. Also it would be nice to separate comment replies (that seem more urgent, for the sake of an active conversation) from e.g. a new post that you haven’t seen yet? But for a true niche community, with let’s say less than a handful of posts every day and you want to be notified about every single one? It seems perfect for that.
The UI for PieFed needs far more polish, especially outside of the narrow range of short comments on posts with few of those in number. e.g. far too often the existing notifications don’t work as the reply to your comment got buried away onto some other page entirely, in an effort to streamline reading but then that not interacting well with the newer (unfinished?) notifications feature. But while it lacks much polish that Lemmy’s UI and apps have, it also has so many features like those mentioned above that Lemmy lacks as well, and may move faster in its development due to using a more common programming language. It is so nice to have choices to pick from:-).
Otherwise on Lemmy you could make alts, like one subscribed to News communities, another for Memes and Shitposts, etc. Blocking users would get super annoying bc you’d have to do it multiple times. Blocking the largest news communities and the accounts that usually fill them, and then sorting by New can help, but it requires enormous curation efforts to get there and even then falls far short of what you asked - e.g. you also, still have to bookmark or otherwise check each one of your highly active communities one by one (edit: I mean niche ones here, bc the chances of seeing a post there on New can still be slim, if you are concerned about seeing EVERY post there rather than just find something to read from across hundreds of subscribed communities, so different solutions for different workflows).
Lemmy is great for checking memes, reading tech or politics news, and liking Linux - but for everything else it needs improvements to be made to support. I’m not going back to Reddit though:-).
I think that Lemmy would benefit from a tag system, one that allows both adding tags to communities but also to posts, the upshot is that these could be handled like hashtags on other federated platforms like Mastodon. Lemmy already does this with posts in a community, but it’s just a hashtag of the community name, would be good if users could add their own tags.
Well actually… I neglected to mention that PieFed has hashtags already. Here’s an example post showing them. Note the categories at the top and the hashtags below the post. Click them and they seem to work perfectly.
That’s great, hopefully Lemmy can support something like that soon. I know the devs said following tags is out of the question but I don’t think that means content shouldn’t have tags.
I mean, theoretically I could put hashtags right here and now. #seewhatimean? And if you copied and pasted them into the search bar you could theoretically use them to find other content that also used the same ones. But the whole entire point is to allow the submitter to make their content easier to link up with other content, so that you can simply see something, click it, and instantly find other similar things? It’s really not hard at all, and like PieFed already has it. It sounds like the Lemmy devs simply don’t care about that style, hence it won’t be done. Unless someone wants to donate their time to make it happen I suppose?
Yeah it would be so posts under those same tags get indexed together. Also probably wouldn’t be worth it to enable it in comments. It would probably be an extra field in the post where you add tags, not just typing a #hashtag.
Right, that’s how it works on PieFed now: only in posts but not comments, as separate fields not just the pound sign.
Although there were some proposed solutions for this issue, when scaled sort was implemented, @nutomic@lemmy.ml closed all related issues, even when they weren’t being solved by scaled sort. So, it’s clear that since there are no longer any open issues about this, no one is going to care about solving it. Therefore, it seems like the only option is to accept this fact and learn to cope with it. At this point, I’ve come to terms with the fact that Lemmy is mainly a platform for shitposts, while Reddit is for everything else. When I look at the feed, I mostly see memes, US politics, and some tech.
Custom feeds may not be the most efficient solution due to scalability concerns. However, an alternative approach could be to make the metadata about the posts (votes, comments, etc) available through an API call. This would enable users to develop their own algorithms for content discovery and potentially create a more personalized experience. Users could then implement, share and install these algorithms using tools like Tampermonkey or other userscript managers.
If there are still problems you should open a new issue. We cant leave issues open forever because they go stale and dont account for new features. By the way we are planning to implement multi-communities.
By the way we are planning to implement multi-communities.
Hello,
Any (even very rough) idea on when you guys will be able to work on it? Three, six, nine months?
Not sure really.
No worries, thanks for answering
When I look at the feed, I mostly see memes, US politics, and some tech.
My solution to this (same experience here), was to block all the communities that were flooding with this stuff and anything else I didn’t care for, and then just browse All. Now my home feed is pretty nice.
Leftist into tech.
My feed got very overwhelmed by depressing relatable memes that, guess what, had leftist views expressed in the comments, and posts that were not politics but ended up getting into there anyways.
I might be leftist but damn if outrage and despair isn’t exhausting, I come to social media for fun, not to be angry and sad and hopeless.
Gave up on All incredibly quickly, only use Subscribed (I explicitly excluded anything political from Subscribed). So much less outrage and despair, so many more cute animals.
You can still use All, if you block the communities that you don’t want to see, one by one. It’s exhausting and new ones continue to be added, but otherwise it’s hard to know about new communities that come along that you might like.
So like I blocked !memes@lemmy.ml bc of its constant (seemingly not-entirely-joking) call for guillotining irl people including average people who simply were born in a capitalist nation, but subscribed to !tech_memes@lemmy.world that I enjoy much more now - the latter created only a few days ago, check it out!:-)
Also !fedimemes@feddit.uk. Really you miss so much only browsing by Subscribed. But do what works for you, bc I get it: the amount of extremist content on Lemmy is extremely high, and as you say depressing in its consistency.
I realize my wording “Gave up on All” probably came off as if I wanted to use it and was disappointed I couldn’t, so I appreciate you trying to give me advice on how I could still use it. I’m happy doing things this way though. I find Subscribed far easier to use than playing whack-a-mole with the many, many meme communities that inevitably have a “haha the world SUCKS” post, and then understandable but still-not-good-for-me-personally vents about the world sucking in the comments. Or news communities (not just politics!) that inevitably post something that could tie into politics, and then all the politics in the comments. You said it’s exhausting yourself, and I simply don’t have the energy to put quite that much effort into it. If you find it worth it anyways, more power to you, but I really don’t mind missing out on something I might like in exchange for missing out on 1) stuff I really don’t like and 2) a lot of stuff I’m ambivalent about and would rather just scroll past.
I do look at !newcommunities@lemmy.world, which is good enough for me in my opinion re: discovering new stuff, and although this isn’t really the purpose of !fedigrow@lemm.ee, it often tells me about communities I didn’t know about. And sometimes I click Communities on an instance and wander through the list.
I’m happy doing things this way though.
Ah, this is indeed the main thing:-).
Fwiw, it also helps to block people. I mean, that sounds obvious, but in a couple cases I started to notice how I may not need to block an entire community since I could get the same effect by blocking the user - plus also not see their posts in other communities as well. Or maybe I’m deluding myself and perhaps I later went on to block the entire community. Some really do just have so many trash articles that it’s not worth getting upset about each one individually so much as simply moving onwards to better ones:-).
You can still use All, if you block the communities that you don’t want to see, one by one. It’s exhausting and new ones continue to be added, but otherwise it’s hard to know about new communities that come along that you might like.
Yes, this was pretty much the same way I thought about it since I want know about new, interesting communities and hope that eventually the smaller ones will thrive like they did on Reddit. Honestly, I didn’t even think it was that exhausting. I would browse the home feed and as soon as I saw a stupid post that seemed to be typical of a particular community, I would click directly on the community link from the home feed and then click block this community. The nice thing about doing it this way is that you tend to quickly get rid of the worst offending communities which has the most significant impact on your timeline. After that, it was more of an occasional block for me.
Yup, same. Though you’ll still miss the extremely niche ones that way - e.g. I had an account on discuss.online and noticed the community !drpg@discuss.online mentioned in the sidebar featured area. To this day my post offered there remains the single one - even the creator didn’t bother making one, probably just squatting the name.
And I noticed !tech_memes@lemmy.world by the creator making a post announcing having created it.
I think browsing by All is helpful but by the time you find good communities there they have already taken off enough to be noticed.
Which is why I really enjoyed browsing by New often - you get the bleeding edge stuff that perhaps few people will ever see or upvote:-). But you also get a LOT of e.g. anime posts that way too, as new communities for them kept popping up.:-P
Good tip about browsing by New. I don’t do that very often, and I don’t think I have since I blocked a bunch of communities. I’ll try it again, thanks!
