• mang0@lemmy.zip
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    3 hours ago

    It’s about democracy and sovereignty. Let’s say a EU member internationally votes 51% in favor of implementing socialism. Because of the EU membership, it would not be possible to implement due to regulations outside of a single country’s control, and EU is famously very capitalistic in general.

    One non-extreme example in my country Sweden is that EU is threatening to make snus (i.e. oral tobacco product which zyn is based on) illegal, despite it being widely used and arguably a way more healthy nicotine product than cigarettes. Currently, Sweden has an exemption from the snus ban, but that exemption is not guaranteed for the future.

    Also, if extreme right-wing forces grow stronger (which they currently are doing), it could result in EU policy regarding limiting lgbt rights or other horrible right-wing policies, despite a given country’s elected politicians not being of a right-wing majority.

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      It’s about democracy and sovereignty. Let’s say a EU member internationally votes 51% in favor of implementing socialism. Because of the EU membership, it would not be possible to implement due to regulations outside of a single country’s control, and EU is famously very capitalistic in general.

      Not always getting what you want sometimes is democracy though. The alternative is not getting what you want ever, because the government exists to serve the interests of a certain group that most likely doesn’t include you.

      If it wasn’t for the constitution, Texas and Florida would probably hold an election to bring back human slavery, then call it “democratic and sovereign” because they got enough votes from the evil fucks that live there.

    • kossa@feddit.org
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      3 hours ago

      But that holds true on a national level as well. I never understand how national states are somehow the ‘natural order’ of the world.

      Let’s say a city in Sweden wants to do something against Swedish national law. Isn’t that the same about “democracy and sovereignity” when it’s not allowed for them?

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      Countries have a veto power for most important decisions, precisely to avoid what you described, and for many other things you need a qualified mayority (something like 80% of countries and 80% of population, 9r something like that).