• Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 months ago

    Absolutely nothing requires the only two options to be capitalisim and planned economy. Market socialism is a thing.

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      2 months ago

      Idk kind of sounds like capitalism with extra steps. Seems like the major difference between people who oppose capitalism and everyone else is just how they define the word.

      What exactly does the meme imply the solution is? State operated companies? Only allowing cooperative companies? Lynching CEOs and hoping the next batch will be better, AKA “doing a luigi”?

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        2 months ago

        The reason it isn’t capitalism with extra steps is that the defining trait of capitalism vs socialism isn’t the presence of markets (which long predate capitalism as a distinct concept), but rather who owns what and how that ownership is justified and structured. Now, arguably market socialism is more similar to capitalism than a planned economy is, but capitalism doesn’t just mean an unplanned economy either (as those, again, are much more ancient than the term implies).

        I don’t think the meme implies any particular solution. To be honest, it doesn’t really even imply a problem to be solved. To my eyes it just looks like it’s just mocking a particular argument used to defend capitalism, without really communicating much beyond a distaste for that argument and presumably with capitalism in general.

    • √𝛂𝛋𝛆@piefed.world
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      2 months ago

      I do not care for the terminology either. I care about a meritocratic system ruled by something like the principal of the Hippocratic altruism “first do no harm.” Trust is vulnerability that leads to harm despite the best of intentions. Trust leads to authoritarianism which is a failure of the present world dystopia. Systematic trust leads to sectarianism and conflict over the margins where the most vulnerable are harmed. It also steals things like your fundamental right to own property, meaning all of your purchases, and allows extortion into a fair market forum where the even value of money itself is negotiable with hidden middle persons skimming every transaction as normal and ameliorating their extortion across all citizens, (credit cards/money processors).